Brexit - The negotiations.

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The fact is that the UK's coastal waters now return to our control and we are free by international law to control them as we see fit. There is no doubt that EU countries will be allocated fishing quotas but these quotas will be under the control of our own policy and not the EUs.
 
Kellfire said:
So we shouldn’t fish their waters either I assume so we have variation in the species of fish available to buy?
That’s a very little England attitude of “This is my ball and I decide who plays with it and if anyone tries to kick it I’m going home!”
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You dont seem to apply your yardstick evenly and its nothing to do with 'little England' its a UK matter. . Are the EU not making the same postures?
 
Foxholer said:
That's the way Cornish Oystermen have been working - sustainably - for over 150 years!

What 'fish' are the EU dregders targetting. Dredging (scraping the sea floor) is pretty much exclusively used to target shellfish.

I certainly agree that there's over-fishing happening - and in UK waters - but have serious doubts that it is via dredging; more likely to be siply too much 'efficient' nets targetting 'above sea-floor' fish.
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As a fisherman I can tell you that there is very little if any overfishing by the U.K. fleet we are under very strict quotas that are policed strictly.

Our boats are boarded and inspected far more than boats from EU countries which is wrong, there are big Dutch trawlers with large quotas fishing our waters, this will not change as the Dutch and other countries have brought U.K. quotas.

It’s not as simple as saying ban all foreign boats in our waters some are within their rights to fish our waters.
Im not very optimistic our politicians will fight hard enough for us as I fear they will as has happened in the past trade of our fishing rights for other priorities they have.
 
drdel said:
It is simply a question of who is in control. The EU's fishing regs are too general and broad brushed it has allowed over fishing by EU fishing with large vessels that scrape the sea floor which is ruining sustainability: the UK simply intends to use a system of annual reviews to set quotas based on the state of the specific fish population. Seems eminently sensible to me.
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The large EU vessels you mention don’t generally scrape the sea bed as you put it most are mid water trawlers and if they did scrape the sea bed they would ruin their nets.
What the government have set out in the fishing policy will be nothing like what will happen eventually, so whilst it might seem eminently sensible that’s not going to happen.
 
Rlburnside said:
As a fisherman I can tell you that there is very little if any overfishing by the U.K. fleet we are under very strict quotas that are policed strictly.

Our boats are boarded and inspected far more than boats from EU countries which is wrong, there are big Dutch trawlers with large quotas fishing our waters, this will not change as the Dutch and other countries have brought U.K. quotas.

It’s not as simple as saying ban all foreign boats in our waters some are within their rights to fish our waters.
Im not very optimistic our politicians will fight hard enough for us as I fear they will as has happened in the past trade of our fishing rights for other priorities they have.
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Pardon the extremely bad pun, but you are a very small fish in a very large barrel. I’m all likelihood you will be sacrificed at the “Good deal” altar.
 
Rlburnside said:
As a fisherman I can tell you that there is very little if any overfishing by the U.K. fleet we are under very strict quotas that are policed strictly.

Our boats are boarded and inspected far more than boats from EU countries which is wrong, there are big Dutch trawlers with large quotas fishing our waters, this will not change as the Dutch and other countries have brought U.K. quotas.

It’s not as simple as saying ban all foreign boats in our waters some are within their rights to fish our waters.
Im not very optimistic our politicians will fight hard enough for us as I fear they will as has happened in the past trade of our fishing rights for other priorities they have.
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Ribby me man, some insight as to how the rest of the EU fished in our waters pre Brexit would be of interest to Tash. Was it good or bad.
 
Rlburnside said:
As a fisherman I can tell you that there is very little if any overfishing by the U.K. fleet we are under very strict quotas that are policed strictly.

Our boats are boarded and inspected far more than boats from EU countries which is wrong, there are big Dutch trawlers with large quotas fishing our waters, this will not change as the Dutch and other countries have brought U.K. quotas.

It’s not as simple as saying ban all foreign boats in our waters some are within their rights to fish our waters.
Im not very optimistic our politicians will fight hard enough for us as I fear they will as has happened in the past trade of our fishing rights for other priorities they have.
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The above, and your confirmation re dredging also confirms my suspicion that DrDel's post was twaddle/propaganda!
But it also raises the, more important imo, issue of how quotas are policed! If UK Government hasn't build (or doesn't build) the cost of policing quotas in allocations to 'foreign' trawlers - and hasn't done (doesn't do) the policing, then it is (or will be) the UK Government that is (or will be) to blame for any overfishing! Obviously, there must be a transition period, but I believe that allocation and policing of quotas has always been UK's responsibility! So, like you, I'm not confident that the 'small' fishermen will be given a fair share! As ever, quotas or other licensing arrangements - good intentioned as they may be - simply distort the 'market'! This article provides frightening confirmation of what can happen! http://www.marinet.org.uk/who-owns-the-uk-fishing-industry-and-its-fishing-quotas.html

That said, I'm now off to do my bit to help the industry, by consuming some of its product!
 
Just a follow up from Riburnside, and he'll know way better than me. Have a look at the fishing agreements the EU have with non-EU countries, especially west African countries. For all the environmental cwap they spout the EU has agreements that are absolutely destroying the Atlantic fishing grounds. The fisheries policies/quotas set out in the 70's and 80's have long since been seen as wrong but big business is lining the pockets of someone in the EU for them to still be in force.

The UK fishing fleets were long since bought out by EU based companies. They might be UK flagged but they are EU based.
 
Hobbit said:
The UK fishing fleets were long since bought out by EU based companies. They might be UK flagged but they are EU based.
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One of the big points being made is that 80% of our fish is sold in to the EU market and so we need to agree access to the market to continue selling our fish. But if the majority of the UK fleet (saw one stat that said 75%) is actually foreign owned then doesn't that mean that the EU need to negotiate access for their boats and also access to the EU market to allow their boats to continue selling the fish?
 
Hobbit said:
Just a follow up from Riburnside, and he'll know way better than me. Have a look at the fishing agreements the EU have with non-EU countries, especially west African countries. For all the environmental cwap they spout the EU has agreements that are absolutely destroying the Atlantic fishing grounds. The fisheries policies/quotas set out in the 70's and 80's have long since been seen as wrong but big business is lining the pockets of someone in the EU for them to still be in force.

The UK fishing fleets were long since bought out by EU based companies. They might be UK flagged but they are EU based.
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Your last paragraph is not really the case, whilst some EU boats that fish our waters have legal access our U.K. fleet still have plenty of quota to sustain the industry.
 
Tashyboy said:
Ribby me man, some insight as to how the rest of the EU fished in our waters pre Brexit would be of interest to Tash. Was it good or bad.
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The foreign boats that fished our waters pre Brexit was never good for our fleet, but being in the EU we had to accept it.

We have Dutch, French, Spanish boats fishing our waters alongside our boats, there has always been anger that the U.K. fisheries patrol vessels don’t board the EU boats to inspect catches as often as they board our boats, so while our boats are strictly policed some of the foreign boats overfish.
We need our markets in the EU our boat lands the majority of our fish in Denmark or Norway, Norway is slightly different regarding the EU.

The politicians were quick to tell the public pre the referendum that we will set our own limits and ban the foreign vessels from our waters but this was always unworkable and not legal.
But as my industry has never been treated fairly by our politicians (as has yours) I fear we will be sold down the river.

Anyway home you go out sometime and enjoy a fish supper.
 
Rlburnside said:
Your last paragraph is not really the case, whilst some EU boats that fish our waters have legal access our U.K. fleet still have plenty of quota to sustain the industry.
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Are you suggesting UK boats currently have no problems with their quotas so we don't need any more?
 
SocketRocket said:
Are you suggesting UK boats currently have no problems with their quotas so we don't need any more?
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No I’m not saying that there will always be problems with quotas, more quotas are not necessarily a good thing in some cases, mackerel quotas have been increased by 40% this year , so more fish will be landed and the price will be lowered.
 
patricks148 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/01/-gdneco&fbclid=IwAR1wtg99S6kOYPIxAPeU1eldzWTFmx0RTuyDIDzVqQaDXyYzhDOSndNy0UY

lets hope none of this is true for the sake of Farming and our Fishing
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I'm loving this obsession with being like Singapore. Personally I'd of chosen one of the Scandinavian countries to try and emulate with their high standards of living and public services. But capitalism gone mad in a highly deregulated environment where standards are eroded in the name of profit and everything has its price may also work. Well if you are rich it will, which is the most important thing.
 
Fret ye not for you
Rlburnside said:
As a fisherman I can tell you that there is very little if any overfishing by the U.K. fleet we are under very strict quotas that are policed strictly.

Our boats are boarded and inspected far more than boats from EU countries which is wrong, there are big Dutch trawlers with large quotas fishing our waters, this will not change as the Dutch and other countries have brought U.K. quotas.

It’s not as simple as saying ban all foreign boats in our waters some are within their rights to fish our waters.
Im not very optimistic our politicians will fight hard enough for us as I fear they will as has happened in the past trade of our fishing rights for other priorities they have.
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Fret ye not for you will have Farage the Fisherman's Friend fighting your corner.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Do these fo*ls not understand the role that farming and farmers play in managing our countryside...and how critical small scale fishing is to many of the UKs 'edge' communities - those same communities that the EU provided focussed funding due to their sensitive and fragile nature.
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Does anyone care about EU funding for edge communities as long Londoners benefit and can take their South of France holidays with their blue passport. Ironically, Brexshit is likely to impact some of those who voted for it than those who did not. (just an uninformed observation before someone asks me for proof)
 
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