Brexit - The negotiations.

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drdel said:
Therein lies the issue - some members Germany, Spain etc need to UK because they depend heavily on their exports to the UK. France however exports less to us so, apart from angry French fishermen, they/Macron can be the hard guys. Barnier's aim is to discourage/prevent any of the R27 from following the UK.

Little economic logic still exists Consequently we are not dealing with an set of uniform (democratic) aims and objectives.
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Its speaks volumes for an organisation that needs to scare its members not to leave.
 
ColchesterFC said:
A bit like the Remain campaign in the referendum. It was all about the perceived negatives of voting to leave rather than the benefits of voting to remain.
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when the Leave campaign was all about taking back control (and then gambling that EU will agree a deal else we trade under WTO rules) and the great trade deal we will have with the US (that Johnson now says might only provide us with 0.15% on GDP).

ah well. Blue passports. What’s not to like.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
when the Leave campaign was all about taking back control (and then gambling that EU will agree a deal else we trade under WTO rules) and the great trade deal we will have with the US (that Johnson now says might only provide us with 0.15% on GDP).

ah well.
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Classic "whataboutery"! My comment was about the remain campaign. Regardless of what the leave campaign was about are you really trying to say that remain wasn't a negative campaign?
 
ColchesterFC said:
Classic "whataboutery"! My comment was about the remain campaign. Regardless of what the leave campaign was about are you really trying to say that remain wasn't a negative campaign?
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It was a campaign full of concerns and trying to debunk myths developed by the right wing media over decades and spouted by the Leave campaign. It wasn’t punchy enough. Besides - this thread is about the negotiations and life after Brexit - not the remain campaign
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It was a campaign full of concerns and trying to debunk myths developed by the right wing media over decades and spouted by the Leave campaign. It wasn’t punchy enough. Besides - this thread is about the negotiations and life after Brexit - not the remain campaign
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Osbourne's comment that each household would lose £4,200 was pretty punchy.... shame that was immediately debunked by the Treasury and a House of Commons Select committee. And then there's the 500,000 job losses by the first Christmas... and we have the lowest unemployment rate in over 40 years, all achieved whilst the population has increased by over 500,000. And don't forget the emergency budget that would be needed by Christmas 2016.... all just concerns eh? All Osbourne's lies.

Full of concerns my ar5e, it was just as full of lies as the Leave campaign. Something you've never acknowledged. You are still repeating the same rubbish you have for over 3.5 years. Have you learned nothing?
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
when the Leave campaign was all about taking back control (and then gambling that EU will agree a deal else we trade under WTO rules) and the great trade deal we will have with the US (that Johnson now says might only provide us with 0.15% on GDP).

ah well. Blue passports. What’s not to like.
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Pathetic childish comment. Why do you do it, you are not a stupid person.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Simply because some of us in important positions seem to think Blue Passports as a result of Brexit are very significant. And what is so significant is that it is blue...red no good.
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But those with any common sense are actually majoring on the things that really count, but I understand that you aren't going to accept being a loser gracefully
 
chrisd said:
But those with any common sense are actually majoring on the things that really count, but I understand that you aren't going to accept being a loser gracefully
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Like Priti Patel in this photo? ;)

I get that there is a lot of desperately seeking positives going on at the moment as we enter negotiation with the EU - and maybe they will indeed become evident in the years and decades to come - but I'm not sure a US trade deal delivering 0.16% growth in the economy by 2035 was something that we were led to expect would come about once we were free of the EU shackles. But maybe that was always going to be the case and those that knew aren't surprised.

Anyway - here's hoping the EU is needing us or feeling generous to us - or both - and the basics of good deal are agreed is the coming 4 months - though that's not a lot of time.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Like Priti Patel in this photo? ;)

I get that there is a lot of desperately seeking positives going on at the moment as we enter negotiation with the EU - and maybe they will indeed become evident in the years and decades to come - but I'm not sure a US trade deal delivering 0.16% growth in the economy by 2035 was something that we were led to expect would come about once we were free of the EU shackles. But maybe that was always going to be the case and those that knew aren't surprised.

Anyway - here's hoping the EU is needing us or feeling generous to us - or both - and the basics of good deal are agreed is the coming 4 months - though that's not a lot of time.
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I frankly dont care in the least. The EU has needs us more than we need them, soon other countries will leave and the big plan will fail, various countries will then re-form the long forgotten Common Market and trade very successfully without unelected idiots bossing them around. The colour of passports is a Home Office matter and I'd expect her to be photographed with one.
 
chrisd said:
I frankly dont care in the least. The EU has needs us more than we need them, soon other countries will leave and the big plan will fail, various countries will then re-form the long forgotten Common Market and trade very successfully without unelected idiots bossing them around. The colour of passports is a Home Office matter and I'd expect her to be photographed with one.
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Do They? I've spent a lot of time in the EU and to be honest most people don't care. Your above statement is just wishful thinking.
 
chrisd said:
I frankly dont care in the least. The EU has needs us more than we need them, soon other countries will leave and the big plan will fail, various countries will then re-form the long forgotten Common Market and trade very successfully without unelected idiots bossing them around. The colour of passports is a Home Office matter and I'd expect her to be photographed with one.
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Jeez, why is everyone so down on Dominic Cummings???
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Like Priti Patel in this photo? ;)

I get that there is a lot of desperately seeking positives going on at the moment as we enter negotiation with the EU - and maybe they will indeed become evident in the years and decades to come - but I'm not sure a US trade deal delivering 0.16% growth in the economy by 2035 was something that we were led to expect would come about once we were free of the EU shackles. But maybe that was always going to be the case and those that knew aren't surprised.

Anyway - here's hoping the EU is needing us or feeling generous to us - or both - and the basics of good deal are agreed is the coming 4 months - though that's not a lot of time.
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Instead of viewing matters from the past you might find some solace by looking forward. In the last 3/4 years many of the member states are looking down a rocky economic road.Consider the mess Brussels is making of running the EU. Incompetence exists across a range of fronts (Greece/Turkey borders. Budget planning, Vast sums dished out to France on CAP. Out of control MEP spending (£6m summer 'expenses').

The EU is not doing a grand job of running things and (IMO) the UK would have been soaked heavily for their mismanagement.

It seems you want everything to change in an instance and continue to decry anything the UK does when in fact most countries across the globe still respect the UK.
 
SocketRocket said:
Because he's taking too long to drain the swamp.
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Do you not see the irony in supporting one un-elected bureaucrat who is effectively running the Country, whilst decrying another set of (in your opinion) un-elected bureaucrats who you (wrongly in my opinion) believe are running the Country.. If you're going to rail against them, then rail against them all..
 
bluewolf said:
Do you not see the irony in supporting one un-elected bureaucrat who is effectively running the Country, whilst decrying another set of (in your opinion) un-elected bureaucrats who you (wrongly in my opinion) believe are running the Country.. If you're going to rail against them, then rail against them all..
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Get a sence of humour Danny ?
 
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