"Boys don't wear dresses..."

louise_a said:
You do not steer someone to be gay or transgendered its how they are.

However you could steer them to make them feel guilty about it, try to surpress it and sadly in some cases take their own lives because they cannot cope.
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you have no proof of that. if they have become or are they born is a discussion that is still baffling scientists today. it will never be answered
 
louise_a said:
I speak from my own personal experience!
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my personal experience is my cousin was into men until she was 16. she was raped and is now a lesbian.

was that because of the rape?? even she says most likely. thats just one case and i understand that. and for this reason people will never know
 
While that was terrible for your cousin, it isn't a very good example for your argument as that was a traumatic experience which fortunately very few people have to experience.
 
louise_a said:
While that was terrible for your cousin, it isn't a very good example for your argument as that was a traumatic experience which fortunately very few people have to experience.
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i agree and could understand why she doesn't like men because of that. I'm just saying that people turn out the way they are because of many factors. i just don't think we are born wired a certain way. but like someone missed before. that's just what i think
 
So how do you explain the person who tries to live their life as they were expected to only to finally accept what they knew from being young and undergo gender reassignment in their 50s?
 
louise_a said:
So how do you explain the person who tries to live their life as they were expected to only to finally accept what they knew from being young and undergo gender reassignment in their 50s?
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i think many things mould a child/ young adult and there are critical times in those years. for example I lost my mom when i was 12. as a result i am very good at dealing with news that would leave most devastated. i am often called emotionally cold. I'm not, i just have a tough exterior because of past events.
i think just because a mother or father wants them to be a certain way doesn't translate into them doing it the right way.

a chap i work with is gay and a only child. his parents wanted a girl and was told they was getting a girl. he was treated as girl as a child. even had longish hair that his mom used to plat. its a long story but he jokes "no wonder I'm a flamer with the way my mom treated me"

when he came out his mom was devastated and almost disowned him..... was the way she Brought him up a deciding factor? who knows.
 
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louise_a said:
So how do you explain the person who tries to live their life as they were expected to only to finally accept what they knew from being young and undergo gender reassignment in their 50s?
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I totally get that, but we're talking about a five year old and I'm pretty sure that at that age he's not aware of his sexuality so why not bring a little boy up as a little boy and let him decide his sexual orientation when he's old enough to do so for himself?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
To be totally frank, your terminology sums up your mindset and true colours.

Yes we all have different opinions, thats what makes a forum, but I thank you for showing me where your real thoughts are.
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therod said:
Are you allowed to use the internet without supervision? Surely there are laws that protect you & us?
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therod said:
I’m not sure that you should be allowed to reproduce either :o
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therod said:
It’s not personal, I just don’t think you should pass on this nonsense to the next generation
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therod said:
I’m out mate. Good luck at the shallow end :thup:
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Point proven on the 'not allowed to have an opinion' part.
For some who proport to abhor bullying in any form, they seem to manage to convey their own ad hominen type of bullying themselves.
Why not just argue your case rather than attack the messenger?
 
Lazkir said:
Point proven on the 'not allowed to have an opinion' part.
For some who proport to abhor bullying in any form, they seem to manage to convey their own ad hominen type of bullying themselves.
Why not just argue your case rather than attack the messenger?
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Ok....back in. Of course you’re allowed to have an opinion but when that opinion is communicated using homophobic slurs like ‘pansy’ and strongly implying that a different view on gender, sexuality and all there in, is not the norm then I think you can expect to be a called a bellend.
There is a conservative point of view that hides behind ‘not being allowed to have an opinion’ when
that point of view is offensive because there is a victim, a target to that point of view. Ie the subject whose lifestyle is ‘objectionable’.

Some of these opinions are uniformed generalist nonsense.
Heterosexual white males, frequenting Golf forums may not be the most progressive group in society but I don’t understand they think wearing a dress is not normal & why their position is threatened by a different view on the above. You can’t catch gayness!!

There also seems to be a really lazy point of view, that gender & sexuality are linked...they are not.
 
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Slime said:
I totally get that, but we're talking about a five year old and I'm pretty sure that at that age he's not aware of his sexuality so why not bring a little boy up as a little boy and let him decide his sexual orientation when he's old enough to do so for himself?
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There is a big difference between bringing a boy up as a boy and belittling him for wearing a dress, would they do the same if it was little girl wearing trousers?
 
hovis said:
no. I'm saying that having a boy and treating him like a pansy and acting like a girl will most likely end up making him "different" in later life
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Lazkir said:
Point proven on the 'not allowed to have an opinion' part.
For some who proport to abhor bullying in any form, they seem to manage to convey their own ad hominen type of bullying themselves.
Why not just argue your case rather than attack the messenger?
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If you’re gonna quote the replies you need to add context, no?

Any thoughts on the above?
 
therod said:
Ok....back in. Of course you’re allowed to have an opinion but when that opinion is communicated using homophobic slurs like ‘pansy’ and strongly implying that a different view on gender, sexuality and all there in, is not the norm then I think you can expect to be a called a bellend.
There is a conservative point of view that hides behind ‘not being allowed to have an opinion’ when
that point of view is offensive because there is a victim, a target to that point of view. Ie the subject whose lifestyle is ‘objectionable’.

Some of these opinions are uniformed generalist nonsense.
Heterosexual white males, frequenting Golf forums may not be the most progressive group in society but I don’t understand they think wearing a dress is not normal & why their position is threatened by a different view on the above. You can’t catch gayness!!

There also seems to be a really lazy point of view, that gender & sexuality are linked...they are not.
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thought you where out!

i have not used any homophobic slurs at all.

i said "treaties a boy like a pansy offensive"
 
hovis said:
thought you where out!

i have not used any homophobic slurs at all.

i said "treaties a boy like a pansy offensive"
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Back in! It’s my Christmas mission to welcome you fellas into the 21st century!
The use of pansy in that context is a homophobic slur, hence the response.
 
therod said:
Ok....back in. Of course you’re allowed to have an opinion but when that opinion is communicated using homophobic slurs like ‘pansy’ and strongly implying that a different view on gender, sexuality and all there in, is not the norm then I think you can expect to be a called a bellend.
There is a conservative point of view that hides behind ‘not being allowed to have an opinion’ when
that point of view is offensive because there is a victim, a target to that point of view. Ie the subject whose lifestyle is ‘objectionable’.

Some of these opinions are uniformed generalist nonsense.
Heterosexual white males, frequenting Golf forums may not be the most progressive group in society but I don’t understand they think wearing a dress is not normal & why their position is threatened by a different view on the above. You can’t catch gayness!!

There also seems to be a really lazy point of view, that gender & sexuality are linked...they are not.
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get a grip. i said "treating a boy like a pansy" that has no relation to homosexuality at all. you are just searching for ammunition to justify your personal attack on me. i find it a amusing that you have been offended by me saying an imaginary boy is a pansy. you are a sensitive person aren't you!!

someone else has also called you out so jog on MR Bully


oh, and "pansy" means being weak and pathetic. no mention of homosexuality in the dictionary
 
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I absolutely cannot see how anybody's sexuality is decided at any time after birth and anyone who suggests otherwise is wholly wrong
 
hovis said:
get a grip. i said "treating a boy like a pansy" that has no relation to homosexuality at all. you are just searching for ammunition to justify your personal attack on me. i find it a amusing that you have been offended by me saying an imaginary boy is a pansy. you are a sensitive person aren't you!!

someone else has also called you out so jog on MR Bully


oh, and "pansy" means being weak and pathetic. no mention of homosexuality in the dictionary
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You obviously didn't look in this dictionary

pan·sy
(păn′zē)
n. pl. pan·sies
1. Any of various plants of the genus Viola, especially V. tricolor or its hybrids, widely cultivated for their flowers with velvety petals of various colors.

2. A deep to strong violet.

3. Offensive Slang
a. Used as a disparaging term for a man or boy who is considered effeminate.

b. Used as a disparaging term for a gay man.
 
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