Boris the PM - a new beginning

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Ethan said:
I'd rather have one that changes because they have realised their previous position was wrong (i.e. for the right reasons) than one that holds out until forced to cave by political pressure (the wrong reasons).
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or one which has the unhappy knack of choosing the wrong policy, then trying to defend the indefensible until they finally realise they have got it wrong (because the Daily Mail and their own backbenchers are telling them that). Masks in schools and the A-level algorithm disaster are good examples, the day before they changed their mind, Williamson and Johnson were robustly defending the status quo.
 
chrisd said:
I'd much rather a Government that changes with immediate needs than one that sticks its head in the sand and wont budge for fear of being called out for u turns ??
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I agree in principle, but how many u turns are acceptable before every decision is questioned or they become hesitant in making any decisions at all.
 
pauldj42 said:
I agree in principle, but how many u turns are acceptable before every decision is questioned or they become hesitant in making any decisions at all.
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I dont see Boris & co being overly worried to make a u turn during an ever changing Covid pandemic and let's face it Paul, every decision is questioned by a biased media, especially the BBC who put their anti Tory, pro remain, bias on every bulletin.
 
rudebhoy said:
or one which has the unhappy knack of choosing the wrong policy, then trying to defend the indefensible until they finally realise they have got it wrong (because the Daily Mail and their own backbenchers are telling them that). Masks in schools and the A-level algorithm disaster are good examples, the day before they changed their mind, Williamson and Johnson were robustly defending the status quo.
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...as was their regular fall-guy Alok Sharma...

I almost feel sorry for the guy and others of his colleagues, given the number of times over the last months they have been put in front of a camera or a microphone and have stumbled answering questions put as they run through in their head what they have been told to say by Johnson - and most likely by Cummings - and try and make that fit (or not as the case often is) with the question.

Almost...
 
chrisd said:
To be be fair Ethan you're going to have to wait some time for a quasi communist Labour Government of your choice ??
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You reveal more of yourself than you do of me with that stupid comment. I don't want a quasi-communist Govt, not that a Labour Govt would be that anyway.

Interesting that you associate making the right decision for the right reason with the left, though. Speaks volumes of the ethics of the right wing that you and your fanboy unthinkingly support.
 
chrisd said:
I dont see Boris & co being overly worried to make a u turn during an ever changing Covid pandemic and let's face it Paul, every decision is questioned by a biased media, especially the BBC who put their anti Tory, pro remain, bias on every bulletin.
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Utter twaddle. I watch Sky News and CH4 News as well as the BBC and I hear very little difference in their reporting of events. But of course that doesn't suit the agenda. Straight out of the Trump playbook.

It's as if the manic bias in the Tory and anti-EU newspaper press over the last 40yrs never happened, the bias that shaped the thinking of much of the electorate.
 
Ethan said:
You reveal more of yourself than you do of me with that stupid comment. I don't want a quasi-communist Govt, not that a Labour Govt would be that anyway.

Interesting that you associate making the right decision for the right reason with the left, though. Speaks volumes of the ethics of the right wing that you and your fanboy unthinkingly support.
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Comedy gold as usual Ethan ??
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It's surely OK to make comparisons when they are light-hearted or affectionate - rather less so when they are used in a disparaging way. Benny from Crossroads was a lovable character...but he wasn't the Manager of the Crossroads Motel :)
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wee jimmy was a very loveable character that i grew up - you are down a dead end here!!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Utter twaddle. I watch Sky News and CH4 News as well as the BBC and I hear very little difference in their reporting of events. But of course that doesn't suit the agenda. Straight out of the Trump playbook.
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I occasionally do too and find their story lines often put in a biased way too. It seems that reporting these days is only done in a way to criticise and /or sensationalise whereas the BBC used to more just report the facts.
 
chrisd said:
I dont see Boris & co being overly worried to make a u turn during an ever changing Covid pandemic and let's face it Paul, every decision is questioned by a biased media, especially the BBC who put their anti Tory, pro remain, bias on every bulletin.
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Come on Chris, as I’ve and others have said the issue isn’t the actual u turns it’s the way they are making the decisions, defending them and then changing them, it’s embarrassing.

How many warnings/signs did they need over the a level/gcse results?

As for blaming the media, pure deflection, that’s the go to, default action, it’s their behaviour that gives the media the opportunities.
 
PNWokingham said:
so he has to dress in a shirt and tie and fresh shave everyday - pathetic and sanctamonious!!
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Well I'm glad you are proud to have as PM someone who seems happy to appear in front of cameras looking quite so dishevelled. I'm not. Nothing sanctimonious about it. Just a bit of respect for the position of Prime Minister.
 
chrisd said:
I dont see Boris & co being overly worried to make a u turn during an ever changing Covid pandemic and let's face it Paul, every decision is questioned by a biased media, especially the BBC who put their anti Tory, pro remain, bias on every bulletin.
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Funnily enough, I get annoyed watching the BBC News as in my opinion, they are far too soft on the government. If they are on at the same time, I watch ITN who are a lot more questioning of the government.
 
pauldj42 said:
Come on Chris, as I’ve and others have said the issue isn’t the actual u turns it’s the way they are making the decisions, defending them and then changing them, it’s embarrassing.

How many warnings/signs did they need over the a level/gcse results?

As for blaming the media, pure deflection, that’s the go to, default action, it’s their behaviour that gives the media the opportunities.
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They are making decisions on an ever changing situation and are criticised whatever, I would guess any Government would defend their decision to the hilt up to the point where circumstances dictate a change , they simply cant be wishy washy when the announce a policy.

The A level situation was a nightmare to handle, and the changes that they were forced into were no more fair than the initial situation
 
chrisd said:
They are making decisions on an ever changing situation and are criticised whatever, I would guess any Government would defend their decision to the hilt up to the point where circumstances dictate a change , they simply cant be wishy washy when the announce a policy.

The A level situation was a nightmare to handle, and the changes that they were forced into were no more fair than the initial situation
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In some situations wishy washy would be better! ie “We’ve made the decision based on X, Y, Z, but will certainly review the situation should further information comes to light” etc

What we’re getting now is “No, No, No, decision made, we won’t be changing it” 24hrs later, complete reverse.

To repeat myself, no issue with them being flexible and making u turns were required, it’s the communication and possible decision making process they need to review.
 
pauldj42 said:
In some situations wishy washy would be better! ie “We’ve made the decision based on X, Y, Z, but will certainly review the situation should further information comes to light” etc

What we’re getting now is “No, No, No, decision made, we won’t be changing it” 24hrs later, complete reverse.

To repeat myself, no issue with them being flexible and making u turns were required, it’s the communication and possible decision making process they need to review.
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I'm fine with that Paul, no Government gets everything right and we can only truly judge them in hindsight.
 
chrisd said:
I'm fine with that Paul, no Government gets everything right and we can only truly judge them in hindsight.
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Never said any Government does mate and I’m still of the opinion our present Government has got a lot right over the pandemic, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be criticised if they get some wrong.
 
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