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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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ColchesterFC said:
As I understand it, the new law that they are bringing in says that the PM must ask for an extension unless a deal has been agreed by 19th October. What would happen if Boris resigned at midnight on 18th October? We would then have no PM to go to EU to ask for the extension. The conservatives would then have to run a leadership election. Can the opposition bring a vote of no confidence in a government with no PM. If they can I assume that the opposition would then desperately try to form an interim government with Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid. Would they have enough time between the result of the no confidence vote and 31st October to form the interim government and for the acting PM to go to the EU to ask for the extension?
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I think BJ has stated he will not ask for an extension. Varadkar has announced they will have no border checks if a No Deal happens so BJ may have leverage for the 17th. It appears that Macron and some in Germany consider another extension will solve nothing so it not a certain conclusion since all 27 must agree. If MP's can't get the PM to revoke Art 50 and EU runs the clock down it appears the 31st still becomes the watershed.

He may yet fight another day.
 
drdel said:
I think BJ has stated he will not ask for an extension. Varadkar has announced they will have no border checks if a No Deal happens so BJ may have leverage for the 17th. It appears that Macron and some in Germany consider another extension will solve nothing so it not a certain conclusion since all 27 must agree. If MP's can't get the PM to revoke Art 50 and EU runs the clock down it appears the 31st still becomes the watershed.

He may yet fight another day.
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AAAHHHH so BJ's goading of Labour and the rest for an election has got them all in a tizz, so they will refuse it. Bj can't get a deal, the whole thing swirls around the clock ticks down and we're out by default? Yes?
 
Colonel Bogey said:
AAAHHHH so BJ's goading of Labour and the rest for an election has got them all in a tizz, so they will refuse it. Bj can't get a deal, the whole thing swirls around the clock ticks down and we're out by default? Yes?
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I think that's right since the Art 50 is in UK law (so would have to be cancelled) and the EU stated the that they would agree a short extension to the 31st - during that additional time nothing has materially changed. Whether the EU will want the UK's cash more than the future hassle and the Brexiteer MEPs in Brussels I'm not sure.
 
Colonel Bogey said:
AAAHHHH so BJ's goading of Labour and the rest for an election has got them all in a tizz, so they will refuse it. Bj can't get a deal, the whole thing swirls around the clock ticks down and we're out by default? Yes?
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No but maybe just yes!:unsure:

Who knows, Boris may get his way in time, very hard to predict any outcome with all the twists and turns, but if he does it must be by chance/luck and not design. There is no way what's gone down so far this week is all planned by PM and team, no way. They all seem to be just rolling with it this week, reactive not proactive.

Legislation will likely be in place to stop leaving 31/10 unless Boris has a deal agreed before that and he confirmed as much in Aberdeenshire this morning saying 'ok no GE so I'll get a deal'.

EU refusing an extension seems the only way he can get us out with a No Deal by Halloween. I think that's unlikely but it is possible.

If an extension is granted where that would leave him after all the '31st do or die' or 'I'd rather be dead in a ditch' rhetoric? - untenable position surely?
 
maxfli65 said:
No but maybe just yes!:unsure:

Who knows, Boris may get his way in time, very hard to predict any outcome with all the twists and turns, but if he does it must be by chance/luck and not design. There is no way what's gone down so far this week is all planned by PM and team, no way. They all seem to be just rolling with it this week, reactive not proactive.

Legislation will likely be in place to stop leaving 31/10 unless Boris has a deal agreed before that and he confirmed as much in Aberdeenshire this morning saying 'ok no GE so I'll get a deal'.

EU refusing an extension seems the only way he can get us out with a No Deal by Halloween. I think that's unlikely but it is possible.

If an extension is granted where that would leave him after all the '31st do or die' or 'I'd rather be dead in a ditch' rhetoric? - untenable position surely?
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I agree with all but the last paragraph.

While that was certainly his rhetoric, I'm almost certain he'll gloss over that 'defeat' in true BJ (and many other politicians) style!
 
Foxholer said:
I agree with all but the last paragraph.

While that was certainly his rhetoric, I'm almost certain he'll gloss over that 'defeat' in true BJ (and many other politicians) style!
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But he'll have Farage in full on assault then.

Maybe he'll say 'oops I meant Halloween 2020'.:cool:
 
drdel said:
I think BJ has stated he will not ask for an extension. Varadkar has announced they will have no border checks if a No Deal happens so BJ may have leverage for the 17th. It appears that Macron and some in Germany consider another extension will solve nothing so it not a certain conclusion since all 27 must agree. If MP's can't get the PM to revoke Art 50 and EU runs the clock down it appears the 31st still becomes the watershed.

He may yet fight another day.
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My point was more what would the process be if Boris doesn't get a deal and were to resign. What are the possible outcomes if he goes on 18th/19th rather than ask for the extension as this new law requires. Is there time for anything to be done with no PM to ask for the extension and can they have a vote of no confidence if there's no PM? If they can't hold a no confidence vote then they can't take control to try to form an interim government to ask for the delay themselves.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Absolutely no surprise at all - he lived up to the very low expectations I have of him. Actually - that's not really true - it was possibly worse than I might have expected.

But what about what he said and the fact that he misled the Chief Constable of his intentions - totally impressed by what he did? - OK with his deception?
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A politician misleading people! Surely not.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If they don't agree to an extension and the HoC bins off the TM deal again then yes is the answer. Can the TM deal even be brought back again? I thought Bercow had stopped that unless it was significantly different.
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We have a GE and whoever wins can bring it back - or a tweaked version of is. Might even be able to bring it back in the next session of parliament.
 
SocketRocket said:
A politician misleading people! Surely not.
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And so as expected not a tweet of criticism of BJ - just a load of whatabootery - which is meaningless as we are talking specifically about Johnson our Prime Minister - not just any old politician.

A Prime Minister that is asking us to TRUST him as he takes us on the magical mystery tour that is No Deal - and Leavers such as Richard Littlejohn in The Sun actually celebrate his lying because it annoys Remain voters - really?
 
IanM said:
Poor old Boris!;)

STOP THE COUP!!!
PEOPLES' VOTE!!

ok chaps, let's have an election....... Nooooooo thanks.

No pleasing some folk. :)
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Good try.
Johnson's been utterly played, tells us he doesn't want a GE but calls one anyway after he's just sacked his own MPs. Opposiiton don't dance immediately to his tune and suddenly Corbyn's a chicken. Couldn't make it up.
The GE will come this year, that's pretty soon.

You all know BJ got boxed in and cant do anything else. Desperate leadership.
 
maxfli65 said:
Good try.
Johnson's been utterly played, tells us he doesn't want a GE but calls one anyway after he's just sacked his own MPs. Opposiiton don't dance immediately to his tune and suddenly Corbyn's a chicken. Couldn't make it up.
The GE will come this year, that's pretty soon.

You all know BJ got boxed in and cant do anything else. Desperate leadership.
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Boris’ plan was pretty simple, easy to rumble. Keep him in an play him like a tool that he is.
Corbyn isn’t a chicken, he is finally taking the correct advice. His party need to come to a consensus of opinion, they need to decide and those who don’t agree should leave.
At the moment the only consistent parties have been the SNP and the Lib Dem’s and Farage ‘ s bunch. Hopefully the electorate will realise and stop voting for people because they have always voted that way.
 
ColchesterFC said:
My point was more what would the process be if Boris doesn't get a deal and were to resign. What are the possible outcomes if he goes on 18th/19th rather than ask for the extension as this new law requires. Is there time for anything to be done with no PM to ask for the extension and can they have a vote of no confidence if there's no PM? If they can't hold a no confidence vote then they can't take control to try to form an interim government to ask for the delay themselves.
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That's an interesting question. Don't forget that the Tories don't have a majority now. The Queen may ask Corbyn to form a government.
 
Why is Boris so desperate for an election?
He didn’t want one, then he does, and now he’s almost pleading with Corbyn to have one.
I doubt he wants one out of altruism!
 
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