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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Yes - I thought Corbyn did OK - and better than Johnson - but that is only because Johnson was so utterly dire...at times rambling and ranting almost incoherently as the words came tumbling out of his mouth and he gesticulated right, left and centre. Our Prime Minster?

Having viewed Johnson's performances yesterday his brother must have reflected on things overnight and reached the conclusion that he has.

So one might reasonably deduce that JJs thinking was that it wasn't such a great performance...
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And as I said, that's your opinion. I didn't think Johnson was as bad as you say - "utterly dire..." That's your opinion.

Did Johnson's brother make the decision based on Johnson's performances or on political differences? And that one single sentence highlights your bias. You don't know do you....? You've deduced something from a starting position that isn't neutral. C'mon Hugh, you know as a PM that you break everything down to its starting point. Johnson isn't to be trusted but you can only have a weather eye based on mistrust. You have to rely on evidence of what happens now, not what might happen.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Johnson visiting Aberdeen today to announce 'new' funding for Scottish farmers.
Aye right, It is only the £160 million that Gove stole from Scotland last year.
It is just lie after lie from this utterly shameless shower of arrogant yobs.
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Stole from Scotland. Thats a bit rich.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Johnson visiting Aberdeen today to announce 'new' funding for Scottish farmers.
Aye right, It is only the £160 million that Gove stole from Scotland last year.
It is just lie after lie from this utterly shameless shower of arrogant yobs.
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According to the BBC "He will also visit a farm, days after the government revealed a £160m funding package for Scottish farmers. The move settled a long-running row over the distribution of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy payments across the UK". "And Mr Johnson will use his visit to Scotland to announce an additional £51.4m for Scottish farmers over the next two years".

So it's not "only the £160 million that Gove stole" last year. Your anti-Boris, anti-Westminster bias shines through in everything you post. At best you have deliberately misrepresented the story, as it wasn't money that was stolen but was subject to dispute about how EU CAP payments should be distributed and is actually more than the £160 million. Some less charitable than me might say that it is just lie after lie from the utterly shameless, arrogant DfT.
 
Hobbit said:
And as I said, that's your opinion. I didn't think Johnson was as bad as you say - "utterly dire..." That's your opinion.

Did Johnson's brother make the decision based on Johnson's performances or on political differences? And that one single sentence highlights your bias. You don't know do you....? You've deduced something from a starting position that isn't neutral. C'mon Hugh, you know as a PM that you break everything down to its starting point. Johnson isn't to be trusted but you can only have a weather eye based on mistrust. You have to rely on evidence of what happens now, not what might happen.
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And I have to say that IMO his rambling speech yesterday on policing - in fact a thinly disguised GE launch speech - was awful - was it utterly dire? Well I wouldn't be alone in thinking that if it was. Trumpian in nature with the police cadets as a backdrop being used for political purposes, not good and wrong. He looked knackered - and what's this nonsense about 'rather being dead in a ditch' rather than doing what he may well have to do. Or maybe he'll just resign rather than have to do with the HoC will demand he do.

Yet still. I hear Leave voters seemingly oblivious or in complete denial over the arrogant and deluded nonsense and behaviour they are seeing and hearing from Johnson and the rest of the government day after day.

Desperate stuff from Johnson. Soonest we have a GE after 31/10, hopefully with an extension in place, the better - to see the back of this charlatan the better.
 
Dando said:
the problems with your posts are that they are dire, biased, arrogant, deluded nonsense that add nothing to the debate as you continue to drone on about the same thing over and over again
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Biased? Yes - as I think Leaving the EU is insane. I'll very grudgingly accept something like May's deal - but No Deal - No IDeal (as Brenda from Bristol might say) - No Way.

But as this thread is about Johnson - I though Johnson was dire yesterday. What's your thinking on how he did - as your response did nothing to address that point.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Biased? Yes - as I think Leaving the EU is insane. I'll very grudgingly accept something like May's deal - but No Deal - No IDeal (as Brenda from Bristol might say) - No Way.

But as this thread is about Johnson - I though Johnson was dire yesterday. What's your thinking on how he did - as your response did nothing to address that point.
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didn't watch him yesterday so cant comment
 
He's being hung out to dry by the Remain group in the HoC. The same HoC who triggered the Art50 by a huge majority and then undermined the PM and kicked her out of office. The same MPs as part of the cohort who supported and placed Art 50 into Law now turn on Johnson for following through on the task they set the Government.

Hopefully he'll stick to his guns and not ask for an extension (with any hope the EU won't see the point anyway) since the new 'no deal' bill does not revoke the Art 50 the leave date of 31st Oct still stands.
 
Mudball said:
..and there we have it.. Voted by nearly 100k toris and getting ready to take the UK out of EU at all cost by halloween.... presenting BoJo the PM.
I cant wait for the wise words that he is going to speak. Will we get the 'smart, clever and wise' Boris or will he continue his BoJo the Buffoon Foreign Secretary role? I am all excited.

Will he appoint May back as Brexit secretary... What will happen to the Bus?

Raising a toast to our glorious future
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The sooner he is gone the better for me. He can take JRM with him too. An odius man who's only goal is to make enough people happy so he can stay in power and screw the rest.
 
Dando said:
didn't watch him yesterday so cant comment
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Well - please - before you criticise me for being biased in my criticism of Johnson yesterday, how's about you actually watch it - then tell us what you think.

And we hear that the Chief Constable of West Yorkshire has just said that Johnson was given OK to do a 5min speech in front of the police officers to launch the recruitment campaign - then OK to do 10mins with the press - without the police cadets. Johnson misled the Chief Constable over his intentions and/or simply hijacked the occasion for his own politics.

And it was an utter shambles - his apparently unprepared ramblings on wider matters being evidence of the fact that indeed he was unprepared but clearly felt he could just 'wing it' - as he was only supposed to do 5minutes on the recruitment campaign.

Will Johnson apologise?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well - please - before you criticise me for being biased in my criticism of Johnson yesterday, how's about you actually watch it - then tell us what you think.

And we hear that the Chief Constable of West Yorkshire has just said that Johnson was given OK to do a 5min speech in front of the police officers to launch the recruitment campaign - then OK to do 10mins with the press - without the police cadets. Johnson misled the Chief Constable over his intentions and/or simply hijacked the occasion for his own politics.

And it was an utter shambles - his apparently unprepared ramblings on wider matters being evidence of the fact that indeed he was unprepared but clearly felt he could just 'wing it' - as he was only supposed to do 5minutes on the recruitment campaign.

Will Johnson apologise?
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You didn't like his speech, what a surprise
 
SocketRocket said:
You didn't like his speech, what a surprise
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Absolutely no surprise at all - he lived up to the very low expectations I have of him. Actually - that's not really true - it was possibly worse than I might have expected.

But what about what he said and the fact that he misled the Chief Constable of his intentions - totally impressed by what he did? - OK with his deception?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well - please - before you criticise me for being biased in my criticism of Johnson yesterday, how's about you actually watch it - then tell us what you think.

And we hear that the Chief Constable of West Yorkshire has just said that Johnson was given OK to do a 5min speech in front of the police officers to launch the recruitment campaign - then OK to do 10mins with the press - without the police cadets. Johnson misled the Chief Constable over his intentions and/or simply hijacked the occasion for his own politics.

And it was an utter shambles - his apparently unprepared ramblings on wider matters being evidence of the fact that indeed he was unprepared but clearly felt he could just 'wing it' - as he was only supposed to do 5minutes on the recruitment campaign.

Will Johnson apologise?
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the comment about your bias posts wasn't just aimed at the Boris posts but in general
 
What if there is no election and BJ goes back to the eu to negotiate but comes back on say Oct 31st with nowt better then TM did. HOC votes it down, as they should, after all they didn't like it when TM put it forward. Would we then be out according to the eu rules????
 
Despite the fact we would then have two laws in place. One from the EU to say we're out and one from the UK to say "we cannot come out without a deal"?

I'm proper confused :confused:
 
Colonel Bogey said:
What if there is no election and BJ goes back to the eu to negotiate but comes back on say Oct 31st with nowt better then TM did. HOC votes it down, as they should, after all they didn't like it when TM put it forward. Would we then be out according to the eu rules????
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If they don't agree to an extension and the HoC bins off the TM deal again then yes is the answer. Can the TM deal even be brought back again? I thought Bercow had stopped that unless it was significantly different.
 
As I understand it, the new law that they are bringing in says that the PM must ask for an extension unless a deal has been agreed by 19th October. What would happen if Boris resigned at midnight on 18th October? We would then have no PM to go to EU to ask for the extension. The conservatives would then have to run a leadership election. Can the opposition bring a vote of no confidence in a government with no PM. If they can I assume that the opposition would then desperately try to form an interim government with Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid. Would they have enough time between the result of the no confidence vote and 31st October to form the interim government and for the acting PM to go to the EU to ask for the extension?
 
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