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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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MegaSteve said:
The Norwegian "criminal system" completely failed identifying Breivik...
So, perhaps not the best example to follow...
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Don't think you can judge an entire system on one psychotic neo Nazi. The US criminal system is pretty tough but they haven't been able to identify countless mass killers in US since Breivik.
 
maxfli65 said:
Don't think you can judge an entire system on one psychotic neo Nazi. The US criminal system is pretty tough but they haven't been able to identify countless mass killers in US since Breivik.
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It's wrong to compare Britain and Norway regarding criminal activity and prison systems. Highly populated countries like the UK have exponentially higher criminality that becomes exponentially more complicated to control.
 
drdel said:
And its going to get worse... the birth rate in the higher social economic groups has be falling for over a decade while the birth rate in the lowest SeG has been going up!
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This will be the case when the lowest Seg are encouraged to have larger families by the benefit system and those in the higher Segs have to keep their families smaller due to tax and house prices.
 
SocketRocket said:
This will be the case when the lowest Seg are encouraged to have larger families by the benefit system and those in the higher Segs have to keep their families smaller due to tax and house prices.
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In the higher SeGs a couple tend to both work and so parenting is a major time and financial issue. Parents on benefits have the time and considerable help with School cost etc. I know its unfair to generalise about those out of work but there are tranches of society that expect everything without doing anything for it. There is a real danger of a race to the bottom IMO.
 
maxfli65 said:
Don't think you can judge an entire system on one psychotic neo Nazi. The US criminal system is pretty tough but they haven't been able to identify countless mass killers in US since Breivik.
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By the same token you can't be using a "criminal system" as an example of being ' better' when it has 'failed' as many as it did...
 
A review has been announced into HS2 that should report back by Autumn this year. Big news, Boris is anti it.

For those affected have many people actually moved out of their homes? I know compulsory purchase has happened on some, others took what was offered, but have many of those houses actually been bulldozed yet or theoretically could those residents buy them back?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
A review has been announced into HS2 that should report back by Autumn this year. Big news, Boris is anti it.

For those affected have many people actually moved out of their homes? I know compulsory purchase has happened on some, others took what was offered, but have many of those houses actually been bulldozed yet or theoretically could those residents buy them back?
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At least two homes have been demolished near here... Not sure about others, down the lane, that were also compulsory purchased... Guessing the residents have relocated so probably not looking to move back...
 
MegaSteve said:
At least two homes have been demolished near here... Not sure about others, down the lane, that were also compulsory purchased... Guessing the residents have relocated so probably not looking to move back...
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It's an odd one, if cancelled, in that you could have ghost villages for a spell. Should the original owners get first dabs on buying them? They may have lived there for years. Little communities were broken up and now they get to start again.

I don't have a problem with it being cancelled, don't throw good money after bad etc. Capacity may well need to be increased but this seemed a hugely expensive way of doing it, only benefiting a geographically small portion of the country.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
It's an odd one, if cancelled, in that you could have ghost villages for a spell. Should the original owners get first dabs on buying them? They may have lived there for years. Little communities were broken up and now they get to start again.

I don't have a problem with it being cancelled, don't throw good money after bad etc. Capacity may well need to be increased but this seemed a hugely expensive way of doing it, only benefiting a geographically small portion of the country.
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I suspect they'll make sort of high speed rail 2... By doing so could probably get away with not doing the expensive tunnelling they've agreed to in attempting to get neighbouring residents on side...
 
I read yesterday some more about BJs/DCs decision on immigration (vocalised by the Home Secretary a few weeks ago) - that decision being that there will be a complete and immediate end of freedom of movement into the UK after 31/10.

We remember the observations made at the time that such a cut-off was completely impractical - that it just could not be made to work - too many issues. Lots of push back from BJ/PP - this is what is going to happen. And of course what I read is that it is now NOT going to happen - that the ending of FoM will be phased in over some period yet tbd. Legal issues we hear - complications and implications - not that simple...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ans-for-henry-viii-power-to-end-free-movement

The announcement seemed to keep under the radar and seemed to go somewhat under-reported in the Brexit-loving press and by Brexit loving commentators over the weekend - and not hearing anything today. But maybe that's all part of the cunning plan. Make the loud announcement and all who want immigration controlled cheered loudly. In fact those who want it stopped completely or very severely cut cheered the loudest at this absolute stop after 31/10. Boris is our man.

But the cynic in me says that BJ/DC/PP knew all along that it was impractical and probably illegal, and that they would quietly row-back - hoping few would notice. But the job was done - as they had got the 'stop migration' Brexit Party voters on Boris's side. It's what Boris wants - his thinking is with theirs - just the blasted 'judges', the elite, the establishment again stopping what Boris and The People want.

Or maybe Boris and Priti just didn't understand. And they have put their own spin on what ends - that FoM ends - though practically and for the vast majority of EU27 citizens it does not end on 31/10.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I read yesterday some more about BJs/DCs decision on immigration (vocalised by the Home Secretary a few weeks ago) - that decision being that there will be a complete and immediate end of freedom of movement into the UK after 31/10.

We remember the observations made at the time that such a cut-off was completely impractical - that it just could not be made to work - too many issues. Lots of push back from BJ/PP - this is what is going to happen. And of course what I read is that it is now NOT going to happen - that the ending of FoM will be phased in over some period yet tbd. Legal issues we hear - complications and implications - not that simple...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ans-for-henry-viii-power-to-end-free-movement

The announcement seemed to keep under the radar and seemed to go somewhat under-reported in the Brexit-loving press and by Brexit loving commentators over the weekend - and not hearing anything today. But maybe that's all part of the cunning plan. Make the loud announcement and all who want immigration controlled cheered loudly. In fact those who want it stopped completely or very severely cut cheered the loudest at this absolute stop after 31/10. Boris is our man.

But the cynic in me says that BJ/DC/PP knew all along that it was impractical and probably illegal, and that they would quietly row-back - hoping few would notice. But the job was done - as they had got the 'stop migration' Brexit Party voters on Boris's side. It's what Boris wants - his thinking is with theirs - just the blasted 'judges', the elite, the establishment again stopping what Boris and The People want.

Or maybe Boris and Priti just didn't understand. And they have put their own spin on what ends - that FoM ends - though practically and for the vast majority of EU27 citizens it does not end on 31/10.
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Will you ever get it 🙄🙄🙄 Immigration needs controlling not stopping. We need to consider our genuine needs and allow people who meet those needs the visas that give them the appropriate residency.

Do you honestly believe after Brexit the UK government couldnt pass a new law to repeal free movement. I am not convinced they would need to though as a no deal would crash us out over the cliff as we are constantly reminded. End of Europiean law in the UK.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Will you ever get it 🙄🙄🙄 Immigration needs controlling not stopping. We need to consider our genuine needs and allow people who meet those needs the visas that give them the appropriate residency.

Do you honestly believe after Brexit the UK government couldnt pass a new law to repeal free movement. I am not convinced they would need to though as a no deal would crash us out over the cliff as we are constantly reminded. End of Europiean law in the UK.
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I have no doubts on any of that - especially this

But not hearing too much from PP or BJ about the about turn over FoM after 31/10.

IMO that is simply because the job is done. Many potential Brexit Party voters support the Tories in a GE as a result of BJ and PP immigration policy in respect of FoM. Especially now that it is 99% clear to me that Johnson has no real interest in engaging further with the EU on the backstop - and is now focussing on a GE before 31/10. So Leave voting Brexit Party anti-immigration electorate now know the government's view on FoM - they might even think that it is still happening if they are not paying attention.

Seems to me it's all just part of the DomCum plan for BJ and the Tories.

If this is all or in part the work of BJ then IMO the sooner we see the end of him as PM then so very much the better. A disgrace to the office of PM of the United Kingdom - he is no more interested in uniting the nation than he is in making cardboard buses.
 
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Cumming & Johnson are so mistrusted by most of the thinking UK public that whenever BJ makes a statement they know there is a strong probably that he lying and second guess what they really want to do.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Cumming & Johnson are so mistrusted by most of the thinking UK public that whenever BJ makes a statement they know there is a strong probably that he lying and second guess what they really want to do.
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You do know that Corbyn is possibly the biggest back tracker in UK politics, always voted against anything EU, he is an EU sceptic. He cannot implement half his manifesto without leaving the EU in full. You are blinded
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Cumming & Johnson are so mistrusted by most of the thinking UK public that whenever BJ makes a statement they know there is a strong probably that he lying and second guess what they really want to do.
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Well we knew what we were gong to get with BJ - a disingenuous, self-serving liar. And what with Wormtongue DomCum whispering devious plans in his receptive and compliant ear we end up with the disgraceful state of affairs we find the country in.
 
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