Baroness Thatcher Dead

Slime said:
And the third election that she won in 1987?

Slime.
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A hugely reduced majority despite Labour still being in disarray. I understand how our electoral system works, so no need for anyone to explain FPTP, but it should be stated that the majority of voters did not vote for her so not as popular as some would like to make out. (And not as universally hated as others might suggest)
 
FairwayDodger said:
A hugely reduced majority despite Labour still being in disarray. I understand how our electoral system works, so no need for anyone to explain FPTP, but it should be stated that the majority of voters did not vote for her so not as popular as some would like to make out. (And not as universally hated as others might suggest)
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It was a reduced majority when copmpared to her previous election win in 1983, but, her majority was MUCH larger than the one she achieved in 1979.

Slime.
 
FairwayDodger said:
A hugely reduced majority despite Labour still being in disarray. I understand how our electoral system works, so no need for anyone to explain FPTP, but it should be stated that the majority of voters did not vote for her so not as popular as some would like to make out. (And not as universally hated as others might suggest)
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Well said - millions more voted for liberal and Labour than for her/them.

Hitler also won an election, BTW - and no I'm not comparing them.

The unions nearly destroyed the country, Thatcher destroyed them and their industries.

Looks like no winners to me.
 
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Liverbirdie said:
Well said - millions more voted for liberal and Labour than for her/them.

Hitler also won an election, BTW - and no I'm not comparing them.

The unions nearly destroyed the country, Thatcher destroyed them and their industries.

Looks like no winners to me.
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Well, apart from the millions who are now home owners who probably wouldn't have been without her.

Funny isn't it, last week people were up in arms regarding benefits; the consensus of many being that everyone should get up off their butt and work - because you can if you want too. We had a poster (forget who) saying these people should consider starting their own business, the sort of entrepreneurial spirit that Maggie would have loved.

So mass unemployment, nearly a quarter of a century after she left power, Maggie's fault or not? I suggest not, we could of course subsidise car plants who occasionally turn out a car of Trabant like rubbishness whilst the work force stand at the gates warming themselves around a brazier.

We could continue to subsidise Steel Mills which are uncompetitive on the world market because the work force wants to work as little as possible but for as much as possible. Ditto shipbuilding.

We could do this whilst borrowing money from the IMF until we simply can't borrow any more and then pray that a strong leader comes along, who actually doesn't give a toss about anyone's personal opinion of them but takes unpopular decisions because they are necessary.
 
I can't stand socialists. Supposed to be Liberals but what they really mean is that everything that contravenes their world view should be abolished.


And this campaign to get Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead to number 1 in the charts is just awful. What a disgracefully disrespectful idea. The utter, utter morons that are buying the tune must be pretty horrible people. Am looking forward to meeting someone that has taken part in this.

Ditto all the Thatcher haters who are today, vowing to line the streets of the funeral procession and turn their backs as the cavalcade travels by. Have these people really not got anything better to do with their empty, pointless, bitter, twisted little lives than this?

Absolutely pathetic.
 
Snelly said:
...And this campaign to get Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead to number 1 in the charts is just awful. What a disgracefully disrespectful idea. The utter, utter morons that are buying the tune must be pretty horrible people. Am looking forward to meeting someone that has taken part in this.

Ditto all the Thatcher haters who are today, vowing to line the streets of the funeral procession and turn their backs as the cavalcade travels by. Have these people really not got anything better to do with their empty, pointless, bitter, twisted little lives than this?

Absolutely pathetic.
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+1 with you on this - even though I may be a lot closer to being one of these socialists you can't stand than a Thatcherite
 
Snelly said:
I can't stand socialists. Supposed to be Liberals but what they really mean is that everything that contravenes their world view should be abolished.


And this campaign to get Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead to number 1 in the charts is just awful. What a disgracefully disrespectful idea. The utter, utter morons that are buying the tune must be pretty horrible people. Am looking forward to meeting someone that has taken part in this.

Ditto all the Thatcher haters who are today, vowing to line the streets of the funeral procession and turn their backs as the cavalcade travels by. Have these people really not got anything better to do with their empty, pointless, bitter, twisted little lives than this?

Absolutely pathetic.
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The majority will be the rent-a-mob tree huggers who probably weren't even born when she was in power but are just desperate to have something to protest - right on man; where's the coffee bean shake smiley when you need one? :)
 
Liverbirdie said:
Well said - millions more voted for liberal and Labour than for her/them.

Hitler also won an election, BTW - and no I'm not comparing them.

The unions nearly destroyed the country, Thatcher destroyed them and their industries.

Looks like no winners to me.
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When Tony Blair won his "landslide" victory he won 24% of the available electorate vote. One of the vagaries of our election system I am afraid. I know you are not comparing them, but Hitler also lost a few elections. Every time he lost he forced another election, each time garnering more votes, before finally burning down the Reichstag and blaming it on terrorists.
It is a sad but nonetheless true fact that more pits closed under Harold Wilson than Mrs. Thatcher. I am sure the ones that closed under Wilson were unprofitable, as they all would have been eventually. The real question is how many were closed under Thatcher that were profitable? The numbers vary significantly depending on which side you listen to. We must remember that the government tried to privatise the pits and no-one wanted to buy the ones that closed. some were sold. However, I believe it was the fact that her government did nothing to attract investment into the areas where the pits had closed that was her biggest and probably only real fault. If they had attracted investment into say high tech industries where people could swap their pit helmets for warm, clean working conditions, she would have carried the people with her. Nevertheless it was Scargill and the unions that picked the fights, not Mrs. T. She just didn't buckle like the previous PMs. We also have to accept that it is very difficult to attract private investment into highly unionised workplaces and in that sense you only have the unions to blame.
 
Snelly said:
I can't stand socialists. Supposed to be Liberals but what they really mean is that everything that contravenes their world view should be abolished.


And this campaign to get Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead to number 1 in the charts is just awful. What a disgracefully disrespectful idea. The utter, utter morons that are buying the tune must be pretty horrible people. Am looking forward to meeting someone that has taken part in this.

Ditto all the Thatcher haters who are today, vowing to line the streets of the funeral procession and turn their backs as the cavalcade travels by. Have these people really not got anything better to do with their empty, pointless, bitter, twisted little lives than this?

Absolutely pathetic.
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Spot on Snelly.
 
Snelly said:
what they really mean is that everything that contravenes their world view should be abolished.


And this campaign to get Ding, Dong ....
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But surely, this is same for the majority of people with strong political beliefs? It certainly seemed that Mrs Thatcher wasn't too keen on those who opposed her particular ideals (again, I wasn't around at the time - just from the stuff that's been said on here / I've read separately). In the same way that both extreme right & left wingers would like to see the other one eradicated.

However, with you 100% on the song thing. A decent article in the NME today saying that if it were to go to the top of the charts come Sunday, they might play it out on air. Been interesting seeing it rise through the midweeks we get at work.
 
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What I don't get about the miner's dispute is that if a mine was profitable, why would it be shut down? Isn't it the same as any industry - if you're making more money than you're spending then you're OK. If you're running at a loss then, at some point, you're going to go bust.
I've lived with my parents this last week and I've been listening to their stories of the 70s and how the British people put up with those conditions are beyond me! The dead left unburied, rubbish being dumped pretty much anywhere, a 2/3 day working week - why? Because the unions had called the workers out. How can a country run like this? The answer - it couldn't! Maggie had the balls to deal with the unions face on - and she won.
One thing about Arthur Scargill that's not mentioned. The HQ of the NUM used to be behind Buckingham Palace. Scargill shut this down and moved it up north. I wonder whether he cared about the workers in London that he was making redundant...
A family member works for the council. Her manager asked her to do a piece of work. Her first response? "Has this been sent to the union to make sure it's within my defined job description?" The manager had to send the work and his request off to the union to make sure it was OK for my family member to do it. No wonder nothing gets done by local councils! Unions do nothing but restrict and hamper productivity.
 
Snelly said:
I can't stand socialists. Supposed to be Liberals but what they really mean is that everything that contravenes their world view should be abolished.


And this campaign to get Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead to number 1 in the charts is just awful. What a disgracefully disrespectful idea. The utter, utter morons that are buying the tune must be pretty horrible people. Am looking forward to meeting someone that has taken part in this.

Ditto all the Thatcher haters who are today, vowing to line the streets of the funeral procession and turn their backs as the cavalcade travels by. Have these people really not got anything better to do with their empty, pointless, bitter, twisted little lives than this?

Absolutely pathetic.
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Pathetic is being kind to these cretins Snelly. Dislike her all you like but you have to respect the dead and the mourning family.
 
AuburnWarrior said:
What I don't get about the miner's dispute is that if a mine was profitable, why would it be shut down? Isn't it the same as any industry - if you're making more money than you're spending then you're OK. If you're running at a loss then, at some point, you're going to go bust.
I've lived with my parents this last week and I've been listening to their stories of the 70s and how the British people put up with those conditions are beyond me! The dead left unburied, rubbish being dumped pretty much anywhere, a 2/3 day working week - why? Because the unions had called the workers out. How can a country run like this? The answer - it couldn't! Maggie had the balls to deal with the unions face on - and she won.
One thing about Arthur Scargill that's not mentioned. The HQ of the NUM used to be behind Buckingham Palace. Scargill shut this down and moved it up north. I wonder whether he cared about the workers in London that he was making redundant...
A family member works for the council. Her manager asked her to do a piece of work. Her first response? "Has this been sent to the union to make sure it's within my defined job description?" The manager had to send the work and his request off to the union to make sure it was OK for my family member to do it. No wonder nothing gets done by local councils! Unions do nothing but restrict and hamper productivity.
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Good post buddy some sensible stuff in their. I was born in 1979 so my parents lived through the times you mention as well. I have heard all sorts of stories, some of which you wouldn't believe if I told you, power being cut off due to strikes and rubbish everywhere it sounds like a scene from a disaster movie it really was unbelievable what went on. Being from Chesterfield which is a solid Labour voting area I am in a minority round there, only myself and my dad are tory voters in the family and friends and they see nothing wrong in what occured through the unions, and hate measures that Maggie took. She did not get everything right granted but who does. She is still leagues ahead of the last 3 lots of rabble that we have had. Scargill is nothing but a rabble rousing yob, I notice he has done very nicely for himself through the years as well bit different to the people he was fighting for
 
I have continually read this thread over the last few days and found it extremely interesting and informative, whilst continuing to remain fairly cordial which is a pleasent surprise considering the topic.

I personally don't harbour any ill feeling towards Thatcher, or her policies. I also think personally I have gained much from her policies, so I suppose quite selfishly I should be grateful.

I own my own house, which was bought from a ex council owner. As does my mam which i will one day inherit. (Owns her home)
I also work in the de-regulated energy market which she started

Also just one point to add on the hitler comments..... godwins law!!!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
 
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