ball moves on a missed shot

[joer422]

A guy I was playing with on Saturday hit the ground before the ball and missed the ball completely but the sand on the tee box knocked the ball off the tee does this count as a shot? ( sorry if a stupid question)
thanks

 

[palindromicbob]

Definition of stroke within the rules:
A "stroke" is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not made a stroke.

His intention would have been to strike the ball so yes it counts as a stroke and he may not re tee the ball as the ball is now in play.

 

[pbrown7582]

Can't see how anyone could claim there was no intent to play the ball very nearly an airshot hope he counted it and never teed it up again if in comp or match.

 

[northernshep]

One!!

A shot in competition, some grief in a casual game.

 

[Rooter]

going on from this, player A is in the deep rough, they have a hack and completely miss the ball, the ball does not move 1mm. is that a shot? same goes for an "air shot"...

 

[duncan mackie]

going on from this, player A is in the deep rough, they have a hack and completely miss the ball, the ball does not move 1mm. is that a shot? same goes for an "air shot"...

yes - both are 'strokes'

 

[Rooter]

yes - both are 'strokes'

cool, thanks for clarifying! i honestly never knew that and just LOL'd at mates that did air shots or hacks...

 

[swanny32]

So if you set up to the ball and accidentally knock it off the tee, is that considered a stroke?

 

[MadAdey]

So if you set up to the ball and accidentally knock it off the tee, is that considered a stroke?

No that does not count as a stroke. Like palin has already stated

Definition of stroke within the rules:
A "stroke" is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not made a stroke.

That is lifted directly from the R & A rules website.

So no it is not a stroke as you have not attempted to strike the ball yet.​

 

[duncan mackie]

Just one word of caution - when the ball is on the tee, as asked here, this is correct because the ball is not in play.

If, during the play of the hole, you cause it to move with a practice swing or when not making a stroke, you will have a penalty under 18-2a and are required to replace the ball.

 

[Matty]

Easiest way to remember this I find is:

1/ If you swing the club with the intent of moving the ball it's a stroke (whether the ball moves or not)
2/ If you nudge the ball at rest at any point on the course other than the tee it's a stroke (only on the tee can the ball be nudged and replaced without penalty as it's not considered to be 'in play yet')

Simples

 

[Region3]

If, during the play of the hole, you cause it to move with a practice swing or when not making a stroke, you will have a penalty under 18-2a and are required to replace the ball.

How about when addressing the ball in the fairway, the club touches the ball but the ball does not move other than oscillating a bit and coming back to rest in it's original position?

 

[pbrown7582]

How about when addressing the ball in the fairway, the club touches the ball but the ball does not move other than oscillating a bit and coming back to rest in it's original position?

In this scenario if you are 100% sure it hasn't moved one iota i think it doesn't count but if I moves the tiniest amount or u are unsure it hasn't returned to the exact spot it is a stroke ala padraig Harrington and his 1/4 dimple dq last year only spotted on HD tv.