Ball flight laws and how to draw the ball

Nice video but knowing the law doesn't mean I will obey them ;)

If I close the face and continue with my normal out to in swing path will that produce a more controlled fade as opposed to a massive slice? Must hit a range!
 
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big_russ said:
Great video here that my pro sent out to his pupils to help explain the new ball flight laws and how to draw the ball.
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I thought I'd covered all this...... :confused:


;););););)



palindromicbob said:
If I close the face and continue with my normal out to in swing path will that produce a more controlled fade as opposed to a massive slice?
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Yes. If you can't change the path, change the clubface...... (and then line up accordingly if necessary).
 
so I am learning to hit a draw but have the occasional push right, is that beacause the face and path are the same as in open at impact and path is in to out?
 
G1BB0 said:
so I am learning to hit a draw but have the occasional push right, is that beacause the face and path are the same as in open at impact and path is in to out?
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Yes, face is too open or path is not out enough in relation to the face. They match and the ball goes straight to the right.
 
cheers, finally its all making sense. One round with JustOne and I am a born again golfer.

the chipping is working a treat aswell. Cheque is in the post ;)
 
i really need to nail down how to hit a proper draw with the driver and woods. i know the physics but doin it is beyond me atm. im sure my grip is also major factor in this! only had one lesson. trying to teach yourself this is hard going!
 
garyinderry said:
i really need to nail down how to hit a proper draw with the driver and woods. i know the physics but doin it is beyond me atm. im sure my grip is also major factor in this! only had one lesson. trying to teach yourself this is hard going!
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Go to the range with your driver... hit the ball 5yds to the right of target. If it doesn't start to the right then you haven't got the CLUBFACE pointing in the correct direction at impact... so hit another one and make it START to the right... and again and again.

Once you can start it to the right you can then learn to curve it back to the left by working on your swingpath. If it doesn't draw back your swingpath is either out-to-in or TOO STRAIGHT at impact. Once you learn how to swing out a little (at impact) the ball will draw.

Specifically with driver/3-wood (off a tee) you can start by cheating a little by ALIGNING a LITTLE to the right :thup:

(wouldn't cheat with irons though as you deloft them too much and end up hooking the life outta them)
 
stand square to the target line and get that ball starting out to the right with driver?

i can actually hit a push draw with the irons but not to any real degree of accuracy and i find it easier with the short irons. for instance today, i tried to draw a 5 iron around a tree and into a left to right wind and you can guess where it went. i watched that video there and i guess i am still trying to flip/ turn over the club aswell.
 
garyinderry said:
stand square to the target line and get that ball starting out to the right with driver?.
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Yes, you can stand a little closed (5 degrees with feet/hips/shoulders) with driver and 3-wood off the tee (if you want). Start the ball to the right of the target line... if you can then it's only the path you need to work on (see Bobmacs sponge drill for that).

if the ball starts LEFT then you've closed the face... if it starts too far right then it's too open. We're not worried about where the ball ends up.. only getting it started in the right direction. Forget the draw for a moment.....how could you EVER hit a decent shot if you can't even get it started in the right place?
 
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right, im going to make it my mission to get this sorted once and for all. only have time for a quick 9 tomoro but should make the range on sunday night! i will work on this till im blue in the face or till i run out of pound coins.

do you use the same grip for fade and slice? do you strenghten it at all for the draw? last question before i go here!
 
garyinderry said:
right, im going to make it my mission to get this sorted once and for all. only have time for a quick 9 tomoro but should make the range on sunday night! i will work on this till im blue in the face or till i run out of pound coins.

do you use the same grip for fade and slice? do you strenghten it at all for the draw? last question before i go here!
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one thing to consider... why you want to hit a draw when a fade will suffice?

If you're slicing it then just strengthen your grip by 1/2 a knuckle... and then another 1/2 if necessary... then one more ..... etc

Personally I open the face a little for the cut shot (with a driver) then take my normal grip and make sure I open my stance and swing down the line of my toes. The clubface at address would be pointing a little left of the target (where the ball is going to START) but to the 'right' of my feet.

For the draw (with driver) I just use my normal grip, line up a little right and swing down the line of my toes. I stand square with irons and just swing the natural arc in front of me.

Basically whatever shot I'm playing my toe line is the most important as it's my guide, it's where my hips line up to, and my shouders, with no manipulation... and my body works at it's maximum output from there.
 
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JustOne said:
one thing to consider... why you want to hit a draw when a fade will suffice?
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extra distance off the tee.
to fight left to right winds. especially when away days at windy links.
to play those holes that dog leg right to left (our 11th) plus that darn wind again.
draw away from danger on the right (loads of holes at my place)
 
It's not easy to shape the ball both ways, it's not easy to be consistent or even find the sweetspot with shots we CAN play, else we'd all be pros. I can play a draw.. it's my natural shot however since changing to a cut shot with my driver I find it increasingly hard to hit the draw - it just feels wrong. I feel like I'm too closed or that the face isn't open enough, or that I'm out of balance etc etc. If I was on tour and hitting 300 balls per day at the range then I might get used to the difference in feelings and be able to hit both shots comfortably..... what I'm saying is don't run until you can walk, have a go by all means but if you can't get it just go back to what you CAN do and refine it... with practice.

The collision between clubface and ball is pure physics, maths if you prefer.... the ball will ALWAYS react to the way it is hit in the same way, everytime.... it's only us swinging the club and not understanding that clubface/ball interaction that complicates the process. Of course we have to know what makes a shot happen BEFORE we swing the club... else we are just guessing, and that's pretty poor when you want to land the ball next to the pin, but then we have to physically make that shot happen... if the ball doesn't go the right way it's US, not the physics. There is nothing else to blame... the physics is never wrong.
 
the fact that it is pure physics drives me towards learning it. it should not be above learning to do. when i was younger i spent alot of time learning to kick a football with my 'other' foot. im comfortable with both now so with work, practice and trust i know i can learn it!
 
Gary, I have finally grasped it, still in its infancy but after 1 lesson, hitting plenty of balls and reading a few posts by Mr JustOne it makes more sense in 3 days than the last 12 months I have been trying to cure my fade/slice.

Excellent thread by the way :thup:
 
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