Robobum
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Congratulations to our new TT2's Champions of 2012, Paul Llewellyn & James Voce!
I'll leave that with you
I'll leave that with you
Another Trilby Tour bit of news for RickG!!!!!
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JustOne
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Watched that the other night.... 45pts between them, topped the pile in the qualifying.
TBH Voce did botch up two of the three play off holes in the final, but his partner made par on each of them.
TBH Voce did botch up two of the three play off holes in the final, but his partner made par on each of them.
I saw that last night, is this a new format they have?
Whats with this Voce fella, seems to be in all the TT stuff I've seen recently and commentating to boot, interesting swing.
Whats with this Voce fella, seems to be in all the TT stuff I've seen recently and commentating to boot, interesting swing.
D
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I got the email from smug Will as well, Llewellyn played off 10. I thought it was posted on here that his club handicap is 5.8?
Was this another 'World' championship?
Was this another 'World' championship?
LanDog
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I watched it last night. I seen that they were expecting birdie on one of the playoff holes, I thought they were joking at first but they seemed deadly serious. The 2 Irish fellas they were playing against looked quite amazed that they made the final
duncan mackie
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the difference between professional amateurs and amateurs could clearly be seen with the contrast in that final (well the whole event really).
LanDog
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As always. The Trilby Tour have outdone themselves, it's amazing that they can completely ignore the blatant cheating in the competition
richy
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How has someone not picked up on these cheaters, or do they just turn a blind eye?
As long as they're full with entrants then I suppose they aren't bothered
As long as they're full with entrants then I suppose they aren't bothered
LanDog
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I think that they are fully aware of the situation. But they simply choose to ignore it
bladeplayer
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Not saying i disagree with you Richy but just a heads up , this is a public forum & there is a possability stuff written here could be used if the person saw it and was agrieved .. Maybe be a bit more careful or vague with the words you use .. just a thought tho thats all ..
richy
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I wasn't talking about anyone in particular so if someone was "aggrieved" by what Ive written then that's their problem. Thanks for the advice tho
duncan mackie
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I think they are in a difficult position.
They do everything they can to ensure that players understand their responsibilities regarding handicaps and are playing off current active handicaps - it's actually up to the clubs to take action if they believe that their members are not competing off appropriate handicaps.
I'm wondering what these guys clubs think of all these wins esp Mr Llewellyn's.
If i'd won three Televised competitions and god knows what else, my club would be looking at my handicap for sure.
If i'd won three Televised competitions and god knows what else, my club would be looking at my handicap for sure.
Paul Llewellyn's current listed handicap is 5.9 but it was 12.7 back in July 2011 and 10.0 in early August 2012 and 7.8 late August (25th) so maybe his away matches and accomplishments haven't been looked at by his club as they have only cut him 2.7 in over a year after winning some (very few entered) home competitions during 2011/2012.
Surely if you won a major amateur competition during that period, not once but twice and then also a National 2's, your club should look at the handicap, and not only adjust it from the minimum amount of comps played at the home club.
Being new to the game, I gather from reading the posts regarding the Trilby Tour that it is full of players with much higher handicaps than their playing ability, is that correct?
Surely if you won a major amateur competition during that period, not once but twice and then also a National 2's, your club should look at the handicap, and not only adjust it from the minimum amount of comps played at the home club.
Being new to the game, I gather from reading the posts regarding the Trilby Tour that it is full of players with much higher handicaps than their playing ability, is that correct?
USER1999
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It would seem so.
It is sad that a potentially wonderful event is becoming a sombrero lottery. I don't know how TT police it better but there doesn appear to be some "manipulation and protection" by those that seem to regularly find a way into the finals. TT isn't alone though and it is becoming prevalent in a lot of Opens these days. Don't think there really is a simple answer
Why not place a caveat that all entrants should have had to of played in no less than 6 or 8 qualifying rounds at their home club in the last 12 months. That's not many IMO with weekend medals, midweek medals, board comps etc.
It would seem by what I looked into that very few home qualifying comps are entered into as those that succeed in major comps were too busy gallivanting around the country winning opens and National comps!
How can you win such a large National comp off 13 one year and then be playing the following year in it off only a 2.7 reduction!
Doesn't look or seem quite right at face value to me.
It would seem by what I looked into that very few home qualifying comps are entered into as those that succeed in major comps were too busy gallivanting around the country winning opens and National comps!
How can you win such a large National comp off 13 one year and then be playing the following year in it off only a 2.7 reduction!
Doesn't look or seem quite right at face value to me.
look on the bright side at least he had been cut 2.7 and not still been of 13.
The other matey is still the same handicap he was 3 years ago after his first win
rickg
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Trying desperately to bite my tongue on this topic.......but.... I watched it last night not knowing the result, but immediately said to my wife "Voce and Llewelyn will win this with Muldoon and his partner runner up.......well they both got 45 points against their nearest rivals 40 and the only thing that shocked me was Muldoon lost in the semis........
Fish, the Trilby Tour isn't the only national event that Voce and Llewelyn have scored exceptionally well in over an extended period..both featured prominently in the Dubai match play championships recently...(1st & 2nd)....Voce shot a 2 under gross in the final round on the Desert Earnie Els course (7500 yards).....Voce also won a Daily Mail National event the year before..........
these major tournament organisers don't want to accept that the players that regularly win them might possibly be playing off higher handicaps than they should be......
I think it's only proper golfers that can really see what is going on here.............
Fish, the Trilby Tour isn't the only national event that Voce and Llewelyn have scored exceptionally well in over an extended period..both featured prominently in the Dubai match play championships recently...(1st & 2nd)....Voce shot a 2 under gross in the final round on the Desert Earnie Els course (7500 yards).....Voce also won a Daily Mail National event the year before..........
these major tournament organisers don't want to accept that the players that regularly win them might possibly be playing off higher handicaps than they should be......
I think it's only proper golfers that can really see what is going on here.............
D
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The problem seems to be that his handicap came down from 13 to 11 in a year which is perfectly feasible but if that is the case, how come he is now playing off a club handicap of 5.9 now? As I understand it, he has been playing the game for a while and you don't take 2 shots off your handicap in a year then a further 5 shots off in a few months.
There is also the issue of the TT events not being qualifying competitions, to all intents and purposes they are glorified society events. Unfortunately, nothing will be done about it as Willie boy is only interested in making a big pile of cash out of the whole thing. I played in it this year to find out what all the fuss was about. Was it worth £250? Certainly not, I played on a slightly better than average course (Frilford Heath), got a decent pair of trousers out of it and a bag that will never see the light of day again as it is pretty cheap and nasty. For the same amount of money I could have had a day out at any of the Open venues or somewhere like Sunningdale or Woodhall Spa.
