And the winner is (Part 2)

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therod said:
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Slighlty off topic but I thought I'd mention I quite like this smiley thingy :whistle:
 
Scottjd1 said:
Maybe someone should set up a 'poll' and we can let democracy pave the way forward to a speedy resolution......:whistle:
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More chance of President al-Assad of Syria publicly announcing that he's homosexual and having Elton John's baby than democracy bringing a resolution to this thorny matter
 
therod said:
Your not peeing anyone off. I don't really care about the wedges or jumper (I do the donation). :(:mad::):D
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I wasn't paying much attention to this thread until last night.
I previously noticed Homer getting stick about his lessons/coaching and veered more on the defence side for him. Now after reading this thread and discovering Homergate 1 and this competition for a wedge that was won by Barney and the Jumper which was won by Moe now being Homergate 2. I started to regret defending him.

Now to see Homergate 3 The promise to donate money to H4H has likely not been met and any queries to it have been ignored I am quite disgusted.

I would actually go as far as to suggest that Homer should be excluded from Any & All future GM competitions.

I don't care at all about the wedge or jumper(which he now denies offering) but the lack of donation to H4H is a disgrace and if no proof is shown my signature will be updated with a link to this Homergate thread.
 
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In Homers defence, the footjoy day was a prize won by RickG and Hawkeye. Homer and myself were guests, invited by the winners. Homer had to pull out for very valid reasons the day before, and he could not be replaced that late on in the proceedings. He was then sent the shoes he would have got had he been able to go. That was fair in my view.
 
murphthemog said:
In Homers defence, the footjoy day was a prize won by RickG and Hawkeye. Homer and myself were guests, invited by the winners. Homer had to pull out for very valid reasons the day before, and he could not be replaced that late on in the proceedings. He was then sent the shoes he would have got had he been able to go. That was fair in my view.
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Agreed Murph, it was very fair of Footjoy to still honour Homer with his shoes. Let's just hope that Homer is as fair to H4H as FJ were to him.
 
As one of the original instigators of "Homergate 2" I feel a little guilty that it has gone on for this long.....but to be fair, Martin has brought it on himself.
And how many times when he himself has come out with something people don't like has he defended himself by saying "this a a free forum and he can say what he likes. If we don't like it, lump it" (or words to that effect).
I have nothing against Martin personally, in fact at the Blackmoor event last year I wanted to play with him so "fixed" the draw with Richart so that I could. I enjoy his banter on the course, he is good company. I would have no hesitation in playing with him again.
But his on-line persona is something totally different and this is what I can't get my head around.
I cannot abide liars. I try to instil in my children that lying is one of the worst things that they can do. I don't lie, and I don't expect others to either. But Martin has been caught out numerous times in the past.
If anybody on this forum told what I thought was a blatant lie, then I would highlight that too.
Sorry.
 
john0 said:
Let's just hope that Homer is as fair to H4H as FJ were to him.
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This is the thing.

I get what bladeplayer is saying and the wedge is not the end of the world and a bit of a giggle.

However, when it comes to using charity to entice people to do something and then the charity not benefitting it becomes a different story altogether.

Not saying he definitively has however it doesn't look good. It reflects INCREDIBLY poorly on his character at the moment and that is why, like JustOne mentions, I would do whatever I could to disprove that and retain a shred of integrity.
 
Smiffy said:
As one of the original instigators of "Homergate 2" I feel a little guilty that it has gone on for this long.....but to be fair, Martin has brought it on himself.
And how many times when he himself has come out with something people don't like has he defended himself by saying "this a a free forum and he can say what he likes. If we don't like it, lump it" (or words to that effect).
I have nothing against Martin personally, in fact at the Blackmoor event last year I wanted to play with him so "fixed" the draw with Richart so that I could. I enjoy his banter on the course, he is good company. I would have no hesitation in playing with him again.
But his on-line persona is something totally different and this is what I can't get my head around.
I cannot abide liars. I try to instil in my children that lying is one of the worst things that they can do. I don't lie, and I don't expect others to either. But Martin has been caught out numerous times in the past.
If anybody on this forum told what I thought was a blatant lie, then I would highlight that too.
Sorry.
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I try to teach my kids the same Smiffy.

Also one other point to remember is Steve In Spain who was treated very rudely and harshly by Homer for merely talking about the great weather there.
 
NWJocko said:
Not saying he definitively has however it doesn't look good. It reflects INCREDIBLY poorly on his character at the moment and that is why, like JustOne mentions, I would do whatever I could to disprove that and retain a shred of integrity.
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I do feel slightly guilty now. I have contributed to the thread and taken the mickey out of Homer, simply because he sets himself up with his online persona.

There is no evidence (unless I've missed it) that he didn't make the donation. Despite wedge-gate (homergate 2) I don't think we can accuse him without any proof.

I for one am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. maybe naively, but I don't think this should turn into a witch hunt.
 
Of course nobody wants a witch hunt. But I am personally annoyed that I was sucked into defending someone that had previous form only for them to go ahead and do it again.
especially when they themselves were rude and nasty to a fellow forum member for no reason whatsoever.

As has been said a simple copy of receipt for the wedge is so simple to show and pretty much 100% proof. The same for any donation to H4H.
I know that I can check bank statements going back years online with my bank. So again easy to prove.

Nobody that I know can abide liars. And IMO the only thing worse than a liar is a suspected liar. At least when you know you know. When you suspect you are constantly thinking is he? Are they?

I would never play golf with anyone that I knew or even worse suspected of being a Liar & Cheat. It would only ruin my game thinking were they or weren't they at their work.
 
Smiffy said:
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I cannot abide liars. I try to instil in my children that lying is one of the worst things that they can do. I don't lie, and I don't expect others to either. If anybody on this forum told what I thought was a blatant lie, then I would highlight that too.
Sorry.
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No need for a sorry at the end of that there Smiffy,that attitude is to be applauded i teach my kids the very same mate , i wasnt condoning or even trying to get involved in the rights & wrongs of the goins on , i was just of the personal opinion that it has been overplayed at this stage mate thats all ..
 
Phil2511 said:
I would never play golf with anyone that I knew or even worse suspected of being a Liar & Cheat. It would only ruin my game thinking were they or weren't they at their work.
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Steady on Phil. I am not going to accuse Homer of being a "cheat"........I trust him implicitly on the course. I've played with him plenty of times in the past to know I can trust him there.
But I'm talking in general here, and principles. If Homer hasn't paid H4H and hasn't dished out a wedge, his principles are wrong.
 
I know we have had some fun with this thread, and while it is just banter I don't have a problem with it. I do think that if Homer confirms he has made the donation to Help for Heroes, or if he has forgotten to, and makes it on Rickg's bmy charity site, the matter should be closed. The charity is for such a good cause, and I would hate it to be caught up in something that could turn unsavoury. Just my opinion Rich
 
I am not accusing Homer at all. In fact I would ideally love to see him prove everybody wrong.

At the moment it appears to most of us that 2 members here have been cheated out of a wedge and a jumper. And as no proof has been shown regarding H4H donation it is quite possible they have been cheated as well.

If someone can do these things then what else can they be capable of?

Personally I could not play golf with someone that had these principles as I would be constantly doubting their scores.
Golf is a game which has a large emphasis on trust. When people go into long rough or trees looking for their ball you are relying on their honesty and integrity.

If they cannot demonstrate this in day to day life how can you expect it on the golf course?

I know that I would find it difficult as would many of those I play with.
 
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