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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Hobbit said:
Maybe because apart from the label, they don't recognise the Labour Party in front of them. I have, predominantly, voted Labour but haven't this time - way too far left for me. I've voted Tory before, but too far right this time. And I've voted LibDems in the past but I'm just not connecting with them.

My vote went in the bin - "none of the above."
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And this is the point I have been making all through this campaign. It is the floating voters that the main partys need to win over. The Hobbits, Tashys, DFT, well maybe not. But the point is. If you are Labour through and through. You could put the village idiot up as leader and people would still vote. It's the same with the Torys. This country has a chasm right down the middle of it. Quite frankly I cannot see it changing in the short term.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
This with knobs on.

You don't vote for a label or rosette, you vote for the people and politics behind them.
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I don't know if people do .. on here there is evidence to suggest the colour of rosette has determined the person ... and that's all parties not a dig at one faction.
 
HughJars said:
Ah yes - "pro-Scotland" = "anti-England" :rolleyes:

Tell me, why do so many in England take personal offence at Scotland wanting to be Independent? It's not like we blame *you*, we blame, the UK system that doesn't work for us, and we want to be a normal country. Why is that so offensive to you?
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Bit to simplified and generic for me that statement. Id say in this forum it comes down to more certain posters only state the bad things England/ being tied to UK causes and are happy to take snide digs at UK/England but then claim anyone that replies to them is purely Pro UK is anti Scotland, when often its simply they don't agree with that posters comment. That for me comes more down to the small minded pettiness of those posters which has been evident in this thread many times.

Imo being pro Independent Scotland isn't offensive or bad, Sotland is recognised as a country in its own right as it should be and as such should get the opportunity to govern itself as it sees fit and not be held to policy created in Westminster so id guess that even not being Scottish im pro independence.

However if that does occur the certain posters on here will then complain rUK will only do a deal that suits rUK not Scotland, which is true and rightly so because just like with Brexit why would the larger collective hold a negotiation that is more beneficial to the smaller region. That's just how negotiating works and as a collective UK at the moment is why we're such a mess.
 
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patricks148 said:
i'm always staggered when i read that a lifelong labour voter would ever, ever consider voting Conservative, esp this bunch of right wing liars.

what where the reasons you ever voted Labour?
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Spent the majority of my teen years in a mining village right next to the pit, walked through the pickets every morning to get to school while the strike was on. Trained to hate Thatcher and everything Tory etc by family and friends.
But saying that, I'm not that closed minded and blinkered that I can't change my mind as I grow older and have different views now. So you could say I was brain washed into supporting Labour?
 
harpo_72 said:
I don't know if people do .. on here there is evidence to suggest the colour of rosette has determined the person ... and that's all parties not a dig at one faction.
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I agree with you. I was speaking for myself really. Far too many people vote blindly but this election is chipping away at that more than any other past election I would say. I think Labour heartlands in particular are potentially under threat due to both their Brexit stance and Corbyn. Plenty will still vote for the rosette alone though.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
This with knobs on.

You don't vote for a label or rosette, you vote for the people and politics behind them.
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Im not so sure LT, there will still be many who vote only Labour or Tory because of the colour of their rosette, there will be some who simply don't see the point in voting for any other party because of the voting system being so heavily biased towards the 2 parties and the safe seat views that the first past the post system created. As a result its always back and forth between the 2 with many people still of the view of whats the point voting for anyone else or whats the point in voting at all.

Proportional representation has been put forward as an option for reform many times but always seems one of the major parties votes against that reform as they know it coukd cause shifts in power snd make things like safe seats a thing of the past and would likely get more non voters actually voting.
 
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Hobbit said:
Maybe because apart from the label, they don't recognise the Labour Party in front of them. I have, predominantly, voted Labour but haven't this time - way too far left for me. I've voted Tory before, but too far right this time. And I've voted LibDems in the past but I'm just not connecting with them.

My vote went in the bin - "none of the above."
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Brian my question was to a "lifelong labour " voter you say you have voted Tory and other parties so would class you as more a floater TBH.

I'm just curious of as to why what i would suppose that if you were lifelong labour you would have socialist leanings and would forget that to vote for the party that is now further right than Thatchers Gov of the late 70's and 80's??
 
Wolf said:
Im not so sure LT, there will still be many who vote only Labour or Tory because ifnthe colour of their rosette, there will be some who simply don't see the point in voting for any other party because of the voting system being so heavily biased towards the 2 parties and the safe seat views that the first past the post system created. As a result its always back and forth between the 2 with many people still of the view of whats the point voting for anyone else or whats the point in voting at all.

Proportional representation has been put forward as an option for reform many times but always seems one of the major parties votes against that reform as they know it coukd cause shifts in power snd make things like safe seats a thing of the past and would likely get more non voters actually voting.
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And there seem to be many who will vote Tory simply because of the promises that Johnson has made about Brexit - and quite understandably they want to give him the opportunity to deliver on these promises. Wonder how much disappointment and pain they are willing to go through before realising that Brexit wasn't actually for them...:(
 
chrisd said:
I dont take personal offence towards Scotland wanting to be independent, I just get fed up with a couple of posters who criticise everything English all the time
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it funny then that you appear to have a dig and mention Jimmy Krankie and the trouble scotland would be in if it left the union every chance you get
 
patricks148 said:
Brian my question was to a "lifelong labour " voter you say you have voted Tory and other parties so would class you as more a floater TBH.

I'm just curious of as to why what i would suppose that if you were lifelong labour you would have socialist leanings and would forget that to vote for the party that is now further right than Thatchers Gov of the late 70's and 80's??
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Just look at Labour and then decide if they are fit for government. Come on, look at them.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And there seem to be many who will vote Tory simply because of the promises that Johnson has made about Brexit - and quite understandably they want to give him the opportunity to deliver on these promises. Wonder how much disappointment and pain they are willing to go through before realising that Brexit wasn't actually for them...:(
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Totally agree SILH, that really is the jewel in the Tory party crown for this election, Brexit was voted on and they're promising to deliver it, for many floating voters that wanted to leave that promise alone will them tick the blue box..

Our political system needs a complete reform, getting rid of the very idea of a safe seat and guarantee of a 2 party only government or hung parliaments by using proportional representation could truly make these people stick to promises and do all they can to improve things as the chance of them being ousted next time round is far greater.. But just my opinion of course..
 
Wolf said:
Im not so sure LT, there will still be many who vote only Labour or Tory because ifnthe colour of their rosette, there will be some who simply don't see the point in voting for any other party because of the voting system being so heavily biased towards the 2 parties and the safe seat views that the first past the post system created. As a result its always back and forth between the 2 with many people still of the view of whats the point voting for anyone else or whats the point in voting at all.

Proportional representation has been put forward as an option for reform many times but always seems one of the major parties votes against that reform as they know it coukd cause shifts in power snd make things like safe seats a thing of the past and would likely get more non voters actually voting.
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Not if there is a viable alternative. I'm a lifelong labour supporter, been called on here a lefty, Marxist, Politburo card carrying Commie.

But i won't be voting Labour, the party i will be has similar ideals, a fairer society, for the many not the few, of course that would mean slightly higher taxes, which i already pay in Scoland, but i don't begrudge that, i'm pretty well off and can afford it. I'm not in favour of I'm all right Jackism that appears prevalent down south
 
Beezerk said:
Spent the majority of my teen years in a mining village right next to the pit, walked through the pickets every morning to get to school while the strike was on. Trained to hate Thatcher and everything Tory etc by family and friends.
But saying that, I'm not that closed minded and blinkered that I can't change my mind as I grow older and have different views now. So you could say I was brain washed into supporting Labour?
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so not a socialist and just voted what you thought your family and friends thought you should?
 
patricks148 said:
Not if there is a viable alternative. I'm a lifelong labour supporter, been called on here a lefty, Marxist, Politburo card carrying Commie.

But i won't be voting Labour, the party i will be has similar ideals, a fairer society, for the many not the few, of course that would mean slightly higher taxes, which i already pay in Scoland, but i don't begrudge that, i'm pretty well off and can afford it. I'm not in favour of I'm all right Jackism that appears prevalent down south
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Your missing the point Patrick, that point being many will vote for the 2 main protagonist because they know it will always be one of them in power so don't tick the other boxes or even look deep enough into their policies.

As for you saying im alright Jack down south (by that asusme you mean England) that alone highlights my previous post and is far to simple way of looking at it. England isn't just south its not just London and the home counties. Northern England is suffering terribly under this government but still many people will only vote for one of the 2 main parties as they don't see anyone else ever getting a look in because of the political system we have.

I'll be voting tomorrow and it wont be red or blue, i don't believe either are fit for purpose with what they're offering, if the party I am voting for got in it would mean paying slightly more in tax as well which I can accept. But I know even with my vote going to that party there's no chance them getting into power because of the current political system favoring just 2 parties, so im sorry the I'm alright Jack statement doesn't wash with me because until the system is changed, we won't ever get actual change and accountability from politicians.
 
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