AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

[MegaSteve]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...omy-counts-cost-lingering-brexit-uncertainty/

It is these sort of policies (including the wholsale nationalisation) that i think are the really scary aspects of the labour policies. They put the red flag up to the rest of the world on business investment

I suspect though, the open door immigration policies big business expects/requires will be quite troubling for many dyed in the wool Tory voters...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Still don't know which way I'm going to vote and have only narrowed it down to 3.

I've excluded, and this is genuinely true, a candidate who is a member of the US LPGA and has been banned by the courts from campaigning in the constituency as she harassed Anna Soubry. Her slightly sinister pitch is 'My desire is to be a key player in draining the UK swamp’ of the many traitors which exist and replace them with patriots like myself. which may appeal to one or two on this forum but afraid not to me.

The conservatives are out for many reasons, not least because our local conservative candidate was showing his compassionate Tory colours and was filmed recently saying people who use food banks struggle to budget properly. I've got a independent hard brexiteer who wants to focus on rebuilding relationships with the Commonwealth after we leave the EU, possibly because they think it still the 1800s and we still have a Commonwealth, so he's out. And have excluded another chap representing the Militant Elvis Stop HS2 party who in addition to stopping HS2 says 'I’d like to see an enquiry into why vet fees are so high and I’d like the police and support officers to crack down on cyclists who whizz along the pavements with no regard for pedestrians' and wants to 'Nationalise brothels, I’ve got a soft spot for Communism' .

We are relatively marginal in that the the winning margin for the conservatives under Soubry was under 1000 at the last election, the Lib Dems have stepped down to give a newly independent Soubry a run at the remain vote so that leaves Labour, the Greens or Anna Soubry's TIG party. Do I go tactical to try to stop the caring compassionate Tory winning or do I vote for the one I most believe in.....

 

[chrisd]

Oh the irony.... Roll out the Tory way comment, yet when someine quotes you on tripe you post and corrects you with facts you simply slope your shoulders and fail to respond at all... Its the Doon Way ?

Add to that Wolf, that I cannot remember the wind up merchants original comment to answer, but I do know it'll be pro Scotland, anti England, anti Tory and most probably irrelevant and really not worth bothering myself over

 

[chrisd]

Still don't know which way I'm going to vote and have only narrowed it down to 3.

I've excluded, and this is genuinely true, a candidate who is a member of the US LPGA and has been banned by the courts from campaigning in the constituency as she harassed Anna Soubry. Her pitch is 'My desire is to be a key player in draining the UK swamp’ of the many traitors which exist and replace them with patriots like myself. which may appeal to one or two on this forum but afraid not to me.

The conservatives are out for many reasons, not least because our local conservative candidate was showing his compassionate Tory colours and was filmed recently saying people who use food banks struggle to budget properly. I've got a independent hard brexiteer who wants to focus on rebuilding relationships with the Commonwealth after we leave the EU, possibly because they think it still the 1800s and we still have a Commonwealth, so he's out. And have excluded another chap representing the Militant Elvis Stop HS2 party who in addition to stopping HS2 says 'I’d like to see an enquiry into why vet fees are so high and I’d like the police and support officers to crack down on cyclists who whizz along the pavements with no regard for pedestrians' and wants to 'Nationalise brothels, I’ve got a soft spot for Communism' .

So that leaves Labour, the Greens or Anna Soubry's TIG party. Do I go tactical to try to stop the caring compassionate Tory winning or do I vote for the one I most believe in.....

Or move house in time for the next election ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Add to that Wolf, that I cannot remember the wind up merchants original comment to answer, but I do know it'll be pro Scotland, anti England, anti Tory and most probably irrelevant and really not worth bothering myself over

 

[harpo_72]

Don't know. There's an argument that as you get older you just get more set in your ways and are more likely to want to maintain the status quo. Where as younger voices can bring some fresh perspective and shake things up if needed. Look at the climate change agenda that has effectively been energized by a 16 year old. To me you need a mix, of course you do need experience so it is not just full of young idealistic dreamers, but also some new energy and fresh ideas are challenging of doing things the same old way is also needed.

Interesting, but if you change career you always start invigorated in your new career and there is a good chance you can find a synergy between previous life experiences and the new role. I would like to think I could still be an idealist into my 50's (if I have not kicked the bucket), I know life does wear you down but if you have an opportunity to address that would you still feel that motivation?
I agree fresh eyes are great, new perspective etc.. but should she be the shadow sec of state ? For me it's too much too early and they need to learn, be managed and protected .. it seems she has self harmed in this interview. I have never let a junior engineer go into the firing line without prep and support and when the seniors moved out of scope, I stepped in and asked them to address those questions for another meeting and to the specialist. I never wanted my young engineers to have any negative aura about them I wanted them to be viewed positively.
That's my life lessons.
Greta is interesting but in reality she is a media show, yes she is questioning and pushing new boundaries .. but I am not sure she is motivating the key protagonists (nor do I know how you would .. maybe tell them every dolphin or whale they save they get a gold bar ) ..

 

[harpo_72]

Still don't know which way I'm going to vote and have only narrowed it down to 3.

I've excluded, and this is genuinely true, a candidate who is a member of the US LPGA and has been banned by the courts from campaigning in the constituency as she harassed Anna Soubry. Her slightly sinister pitch is 'My desire is to be a key player in draining the UK swamp’ of the many traitors which exist and replace them with patriots like myself. which may appeal to one or two on this forum but afraid not to me.

The conservatives are out for many reasons, not least because our local conservative candidate was showing his compassionate Tory colours and was filmed recently saying people who use food banks struggle to budget properly. I've got a independent hard brexiteer who wants to focus on rebuilding relationships with the Commonwealth after we leave the EU, possibly because they think it still the 1800s and we still have a Commonwealth, so he's out. And have excluded another chap representing the Militant Elvis Stop HS2 party who in addition to stopping HS2 says 'I’d like to see an enquiry into why vet fees are so high and I’d like the police and support officers to crack down on cyclists who whizz along the pavements with no regard for pedestrians' and wants to 'Nationalise brothels, I’ve got a soft spot for Communism' .

We are relatively marginal in that the the winning margin for the conservatives under Soubry was under 1000 at the last election, the Lib Dems have stepped down to give a newly independent Soubry a run at the remain vote so that leaves Labour, the Greens or Anna Soubry's TIG party. Do I go tactical to try to stop the caring compassionate Tory winning or do I vote for the one I most believe in.....

Elvis it is then .. cyclists on paths .. disgraceful ! national brothels .. reduces violence significantly when testosterone levels are depleted ... this candidate is a visionary ! But what is their brexit stance ?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Interesting, but if you change career you always start invigorated in your new career and there is a good chance you can find a synergy between previous life experiences and the new role. I would like to think I could still be an idealist into my 50's (if I have not kicked the bucket), I know life does wear you down but if you have an opportunity to address that would you still feel that motivation?
I agree fresh eyes are great, new perspective etc.. but should she be the shadow sec of state ? For me it's too much too early and they need to learn, be managed and protected .. it seems she has self harmed in this interview. I have never let a junior engineer go into the firing line without prep and support and when the seniors moved out of scope, I stepped in and asked them to address those questions for another meeting and to the specialist. I never wanted my young engineers to have any negative aura about them I wanted them to be viewed positively.
That's my life lessons.
Greta is interesting but in reality she is a media show, yes she is questioning and pushing new boundaries .. but I am not sure she is motivating the key protagonists (nor do I know how you would .. maybe tell them every dolphin or whale they save they get a gold bar ) ..

I think one thing I've learned looking at the current cabinet is that relative age and experience is no guarantee of competence in any shape or form.

As for Greta totally agree a lot of it is media hype, but the environment is now a serious campaigning issue that will influence some for many parties, where as in the past it was just a throw away comment for most. Of course this is not all down to Greta as the Greens have been banging on about it for years. But sometimes you just need that spark in the right place at the right time to step things up a level. And I think. mostly through good fortune, she has done that.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Elvis it is then .. cyclists on paths .. disgraceful ! national brothels .. reduces violence significantly when testosterone levels are depleted ... this candidate is a visionary ! But what is their brexit stance ?

Refreshingly he doesn't say, perhaps he wants to concentrate on the real issues. But I also missed another important part of his manifesto 'Finally, I think there should better daytime television for OAPs – Ah-huh-huh'

 

[HughJars]

Add to that Wolf, that I cannot remember the wind up merchants original comment to answer, but I do know it'll be pro Scotland, anti England, anti Tory and most probably irrelevant and really not worth bothering myself over

Ah yes - "pro-Scotland" = "anti-England"

Tell me, why do so many in England take personal offence at Scotland wanting to be Independent? It's not like we blame *you*, we blame, the UK system that doesn't work for us, and we want to be a normal country. Why is that so offensive to you?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Refreshingly he doesn't say, perhaps he wants to concentrate on the real issues. But I also missed another important part of his manifesto 'Finally, I think there should better daytime television for OAPs – Ah-huh-huh'

Elvis, it has to be Elvis surely .

The quandry you are in is the same one thousands perhaps millions are in right now. I've known all of my life who I have been going to vote for, not this election. Even now I am not sure. I don't even have an Elvis to vote for

 

[chrisd]

Finally, I think there should better daytime television for OAPs – Ah-huh-huh'[/I]

If we only had time to watch some when we're not looking after your children, doing the DIY that you never bothered to watch us do, and learn, when you were growing up, mowing your lawn as you dont have time cos you're too busy taking your kids out at weekends to leisure parks etc etc ????

 

[Hobbit]

i'm always staggered when i read that a lifelong labour voter would ever, ever consider voting Conservative, esp this bunch of right wing liars.

what where the reasons you ever voted Labour?

Maybe because apart from the label, they don't recognise the Labour Party in front of them. I have, predominantly, voted Labour but haven't this time - way too far left for me. I've voted Tory before, but too far right this time. And I've voted LibDems in the past but I'm just not connecting with them.

My vote went in the bin - "none of the above."

 

[Hacker Khan]

Elvis, it has to be Elvis surely .

The quandry you are in is the same one thousands perhaps millions are in right now. I've known all of my life who I have been going to vote for, not this election. Even now I am not sure. I don't even have an Elvis to vote for

Christ, even the tactical voting website gives me 2 suggestions.

 

[chrisd]

Ah yes - "pro-Scotland" = "anti-England"

Tell me, why do so many in England take personal offence at Scotland wanting to be Independent? It's not like we blame *you*, we blame, the UK system that doesn't work for us, and we want to be a normal country. Why is that so offensive to you?

I dont take personal offence towards Scotland wanting to be independent, I just get fed up with a couple of posters who criticise everything English all the time

 

[Tashyboy]

Still don't know which way I'm going to vote and have only narrowed it down to 3.

I've excluded, and this is genuinely true, a candidate who is a member of the US LPGA and has been banned by the courts from campaigning in the constituency as she harassed Anna Soubry. Her slightly sinister pitch is 'My desire is to be a key player in draining the UK swamp’ of the many traitors which exist and replace them with patriots like myself. which may appeal to one or two on this forum but afraid not to me.

The conservatives are out for many reasons, not least because our local conservative candidate was showing his compassionate Tory colours and was filmed recently saying people who use food banks struggle to budget properly. I've got a independent hard brexiteer who wants to focus on rebuilding relationships with the Commonwealth after we leave the EU, possibly because they think it still the 1800s and we still have a Commonwealth, so he's out. And have excluded another chap representing the Militant Elvis Stop HS2 party who in addition to stopping HS2 says 'I’d like to see an enquiry into why vet fees are so high and I’d like the police and support officers to crack down on cyclists who whizz along the pavements with no regard for pedestrians' and wants to 'Nationalise brothels, I’ve got a soft spot for Communism' .

We are relatively marginal in that the the winning margin for the conservatives under Soubry was under 1000 at the last election, the Lib Dems have stepped down to give a newly independent Soubry a run at the remain vote so that leaves Labour, the Greens or Anna Soubry's TIG party. Do I go tactical to try to stop the caring compassionate Tory winning or do I vote for the one I most believe in.....

Quite a decent post except for the bit about the commonwealth. There are thoughts within the commonwealth countries that we kinda abandoned them once we were tied up in EU trade. Was in Barbados a couple of years ago, I remember a guy taking us round the island in a taxi saying he hopes that Britain starts buying it's sugar once we have left the EU. We drove through countless fields that once provided the UK. When we leave the EU, I for one hope trade deals with the commonwealth improve.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If we only had time to watch some when we're not looking after your children, doing the DIY that you never bothered to watch us do, and learn, when you were growing up, mowing your lawn as you dont have time cos you're too busy taking your kids out at weekends to leisure parks etc etc ????

I have a groundskeeper to mow my lawn, nanny to look after my kids and estates manager to do the DIY, proper champagne socialist me.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Still don't know which way I'm going to vote and have only narrowed it down to 3.

... Do I go tactical to try to stop the caring compassionate Tory winning or do I vote for the one I most believe in.....

Mrs Hogie just declared as she headed out the door to get her nails done (as you do) - "I'm thinking I'm going to vote Labour". She is so fed up with politicians demonstrating no or dubious principles and values that she'd prefer to stick to her own values and Labour instinct - even though Labour have no chance and LibDems have an outside one of unseating Hunt. And she is a very big fan of Rebecca Long-Bailey.

And I'm inclined to agree. So my choice is down to 2.

One Tactical Voting Website tells me...

This seat was part of a Progressive Alliance campaign against the then health secretary in 2017, so it is unclear what might happen here this time.

The other 4 tell me LibDem

 

[Hacker Khan]

Quite a decent post except for the bit about the commonwealth. There are thoughts within the commonwealth countries that we kinda abandoned them once we were tied up in EU trade. Was in Barbados a couple of years ago, I remember a guy taking us round the island in a taxi saying he hopes that Britain starts buying it's sugar once we have left the EU. We drove through countless fields that once provided the UK. When we leave the EU, I for one hope trade deals with the commonwealth improve.

It would be great if we could throw a bit of love the way of some Commonwealth countries. But I suspect blaming the EU for us no longer buying sugar etc from commonwealth countries is simplistic at best.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Maybe because apart from the label, they don't recognise the Labour Party in front of them. I have, predominantly, voted Labour but haven't this time - way too far left for me. I've voted Tory before, but too far right this time. And I've voted LibDems in the past but I'm just not connecting with them.

My vote went in the bin - "none of the above."

This with knobs on.

You don't vote for a label or rosette, you vote for the people and politics behind them.