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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Doon frae Troon said:
When faced with an uncomfortable truth against their point of view why do the right wing leave types on here nearly always revert to personal insults and name calling.
Must go as Wee Krankie is spouting off on the telly. Very brave of her to face public scrutiny once again, unlike some of her male counterparts.:love:
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Yes - but you are being disingenuous suggesting that all voters do the deep and comprehensive research into the parties, policies and leaders that you do - they don’t and I’d have thought that you’d know that. They read and listen to the headline messages of the commentators and media they subscribe to and follow. No more than that.
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i was refering to me after being told that i was being hoodwinked by press. But similarly, i am not going to suggest that anyone is influenced by political half truths, deflected comments or any bias from the writer - that would be disingenouos to suggest that people are too stupid to make up their own mind
 
pauldj42 said:
12,000 is out of the 31,000, the rest are homegrown recruitment. The other 19,000 are retained.
Hence the confusion of the start point. It would 50,000 more than we currently have today, but I take that as 43,000 vacancies filled and 7,000 new jobs.
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And if you talk to almost any one the 19000 who have recently left or are planning to leave or retire in the next five years I think you will find that very few will have any thoughts of the sort ‘let’s see what he comes up with to entice me to stay or return’ Cant say none - however just speak to any such nurse ans see what they say. I could make a suggestion but would get an infraction...
 
PNWokingham said:
i was refering to me after being told that i was being hoodwinked by press. But similarly, i am not going to suggest that anyone is influenced by political half truths, deflected comments or any bias from the writer - that would be disingenouos to suggest that people are too stupid to make up their own mind
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I think that you might find that many voters do not care one iota about the detail behind the headline. So they read or hear that ‘Corbyn is an appalling person’ from someone they listen to and they believe it - it becomes their truth. Subsequent retractions are missed or lost to them - or they consider the retraction as being forced on the commentator or paper by political correctness - so what was first said remains their truth. Sad but has been the case for a long time.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And if you talk to almost any one the 19000 who have recently left or are planning to leave or retire in the next five years I think you will find that very few will have any thoughts of the sort ‘let’s see what he comes up with to entice me to stay or return’ Cant say none - however just speak to any such nurse ans see what they say. I could make a suggestion but would get an infraction...
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B---s...t - I know a wack of nurses who love their job and the people they work with.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I think that you might find that many voters do not care one iota about the detail behind the headline. So they read or hear that ‘Corbyn is an appalling person’ from someone they listen to and they believe it - it becomes their truth. Subsequent retractions are missed or lost to them - or they consider the retraction as being forced on the commentator or paper by political correctness - so what was first said remains their truth. Sad but has been the case for a long time.
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this applies to both sides here - there are lots of questionable comments and policies blurted out by dozens of papers, programmes, social media etc - not least Labour saying they have dealt with anti semitism. So, once again, suggesting that people are too stupid to have made up their own minds due to slants/ half truths/ lies/ fantasy economics etc - is disingenous!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I think that you might find that many voters do not care one iota about the detail behind the headline. So they read or hear that ‘Corbyn is an appalling person’ from someone they listen to and they believe it - it becomes their truth. Subsequent retractions are missed or lost to them - or they consider the retraction as being forced on the commentator or paper by political correctness - so what was first said remains their truth. Sad but has been the case for a long time.
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I hear what you say but you know what - Corbyn really is an appalling person !
 
PNWokingham said:
makes sense Brian - apart from the bit about tanking the economy - if these plans are implemented fully or near full and all utilities, broadband (more than just oppenreach), rail etc, plus the workers getting 10% of companies etc. I strongly believe this is endgame for the economy - we will be a global outcast - inward investment will die, our credit rating will die, the pound will tank to parity v dollar or maybe worse and the servicing of our debt will spiral out of control. The prospects are utterly horrifying
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Is that any different to the worst case scenario we’re being told about a No Deal Brexit.
We are all guilty on here for exaggerating the benefits of who we support and highlighting the worst of the opposition.
Project Fear is alive and well on all sides of the political spectrum.
 
pauldj42 said:
Is that any different to the worst case scenario we’re being told about a No Deal Brexit.
We are all guilty on here for exaggerating the benefits of who we support and highlighting the worst of the opposition.
Project Fear is alive and well on all sides of the political spectrum.
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i think it is very hard to work out what affect No Deal with have but i believe (even as someone who voted remain) that there are many policies that can be implemented on tax, free ports etc etc etc that can help limit the inevitable damage to certain areas. Also, i believe that No-Brext dmage (if it happens) will likely be relatively short lived and it may end up being quite positive a few years ahead. There is no siilver lining or way out of the mess that will happen if John McDonnell implements Labour's desired policies.
 
PNWokingham said:
you are not alone Chris!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...corbyn-could-anti-semitic-says-former-senior/
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Should we also read his interview were he states he despairs over both Leaders or were he talks about the proroguing of parliament and the legal decisions.

“Did they get it right? “I have to agree with it. Absolutely… the sovereignty of parliament is undoubtedly a cornerstone of our constitution.” And Johnson sought to trample over that? “I think yes, he did. He did.”

Or we could mention he’s jewish and if there’s any bias to his point of view.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/...tension-law-benn-act-parliament-supreme-court

It’s easy to find articles to suit our point of view.
 
PNWokingham said:
i think it is very hard to work out what affect No Deal with have but i believe (even as someone who voted remain) that there are many policies that can be implemented on tax, free ports etc etc etc that can help limit the inevitable damage to certain areas. Also, i believe that No-Brext dmage (if it happens) will likely be relatively short lived and it may end up being quite positive a few years ahead. There is no siilver lining or way out of the mess that will happen if John McDonnell implements Labour's desired policies.
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The IFS, who has been used by both sides, came out with a worst case study this week that showed if we get worse case scenario the tories will have to borrow much more than any figure the Labour party have stated during this campaign.

Obviously we all hope for a smooth leave with little impact, but surely we shouldn’t dismiss either possible impacts of either a Labour win or a worst case No Deal Brexit?
 
pauldj42 said:
The IFS, who has been used by both sides, came out with a worst case study this week that showed if we get worse case scenario the tories will have to borrow much more than any figure the Labour party have stated during this campaign.

Obviously we all hope for a smooth leave with little impact, but surely we shouldn’t dismiss either possible impacts of either a Labour win or a worst case No Deal Brexit?
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Paul, a WORST case scenario is not comparable with a Labour Party (apparently) costed manifesto
 
chrisd said:
Paul, a WORST case scenario is not comparable with a Labour Party (apparently) costed manifesto
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In the first few years it’s possibly worse Chris.
I’m not defending the Labour Manifesto, I described it as a fairy story, my point is, people use it to paint a picture of possible doom and gloom, yet when the worries of a No Deal Brexit are raised the same people dismiss that as Project Fear.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50628644
 
pauldj42 said:
In the first few years it’s possibly worse Chris.
I’m not defending the Labour Manifesto, I described it as a fairy story, my point is, people use it to paint a picture of possible doom and gloom, yet when the worries of a No Deal Brexit are raised the same people dismiss that as Project Fear.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50628644
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But its possibly much better too, so my point is that they're comparing apples and pears. If the EU want to survive they really do need to give us a free trade deal on similar lines to our current one because the lost trade that EU countries will suffer will drive them in to recession imo

I dont want a no deal but would prefer it to the BRINO that Corbyn is going to end up with, surprising given he's always been a leaver until the chance of being elected became a possibility, so just using it to further his own ambition
 
chrisd said:
But its possibly much better too, so my point is that they're comparing apples and pears. If the EU want to survive they really do need to give us a free trade deal on similar lines to our current one because the lost trade that EU countries will suffer will drive them in to recession imo

I dont want a no deal but would prefer it to the BRINO that Corbyn is going to end up with, surprising given he's always been a leaver until the chance of being elected became a possibility, so just using it to further his own ambition
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What if Labour are correct about their Manifesto? Does that work the same for your first 6 words?

I hope you’re correct on the rest of your first paragraph, but we’ll wait and see.

2nd Paragraph - No comment, tried to keep personalities out of it as neither Leader is better than the other and don’t wish to get in to a Corbyn v boris running round in circles discussion.
 
pendodave said:
I have to say, it seems odd that the right wingers on here find it possible to :
a) believe any optimistic outcome for no-deal, out of Europe, scenarios.
b) impossible to believe in anything good coming from shared ownership of essential national utilities and workers sharing a (very small) part of the wealth they create in a company.
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Some of us right wingers as you call us weren't born yesterday and have witnessed these crackpot schemes before and seen how catastrophic (a well used term by the lefties) they always turn out.
 
pauldj42 said:
What if Labour are correct about their Manifesto? Does that work the same for your first 6 words?

I hope you’re correct on the rest of your first paragraph, but we’ll wait and see.

2nd Paragraph - No comment, tried to keep personalities out of it as neither Leader is better than the other and don’t wish to get in to a Corbyn v boris running round in circles discussion.
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What if you use a Labour worst case scenario as well?
 
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