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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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I would normally vote labour, but given my area which is Tory at present, liberal close 2nd, and it was a 50.3% leave area, I will vote liberal.

And who said Santa doesn’t exist? Surely then all the other people we have not ever seen don’t exist as well?? ;);)
 
PhilTheFragger said:
I would be interested if anyone on here has changed their voting intentions since the last election

My guess that it will not be many, if any,

Therefore the guff that has been spouted in these pages over the last 6 weeks has been a complete and utter waste of time.

However it has diverted attention away from the Brexit and footy threads ?
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Last time round there were no independents on my ballot paper... So I scrawled "None of the above" across the bottom... This time round I have a choice between two worthy independents one of which will get my vote...

Shame is, both the Tory and Lib/Dem candidates are also worthy of my vote but neither will get it due their respective party leaders...
 
I wonder how many voters entirely focus on the party leader.

Surely since we have 600 MPs and a large cabinet the basis of voting should be on the national policy issues and whether the local candidate will also deliver on the local issues. I agree the 'leaders' can set a tone but, as far as I am concerned, like company chairpersons, they are largely figure heads and, in politics, useful media idiots. On the world stage most of the actual work is done by the Civil Service, Xparty Committees and individual ministers and that's also largely true for domestic issues with Local Authorities added in the mix.

So surely voting based on the figurehead or not voting is just a cop out of the rational responsibilities of citizenship.
 
drdel said:
I wonder how many voters entirely focus on the party leader.

Surely since we have 600 MPs and a large cabinet the basis of voting should be on the national policy issues and whether the local candidate will also deliver on the local issues. I agree the 'leaders' can set a tone but, as far as I am concerned, like company chairpersons, they are largely figure heads and, in politics, useful media idiots. On the world stage most of the actual work is done by the Civil Service, Xparty Committees and individual ministers and that's also largely true for domestic issues with Local Authorities added in the mix.

Surely not voting is just a cop out of the responsibilities of citizenship.
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Totally agree, thankfully I have a decent area MP (imo) to vote for, his party doesn’t get my vote in By-Elections however as our “Independents” are very good at local level and don’t stand in the GE’s, otherwise I’d be sticking with them.
 
drdel said:
I wonder how many voters entirely focus on the party leader.

Surely since we have 600 MPs and a large cabinet the basis of voting should be on the national policy issues and whether the local candidate will also deliver on the local issues. I agree the 'leaders' can set a tone but, as far as I am concerned, like company chairpersons, they are largely figure heads and, in politics, useful media idiots. On the world stage most of the actual work is done by the Civil Service, Xparty Committees and individual ministers and that's also largely true for domestic issues with Local Authorities added in the mix.

So surely voting based on the figurehead or not voting is just a cop out of the rational responsibilities of citizenship.
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May be very few focus exclusively on the party leader. But the number of times Dianne Abbott appears in this thread or indeed leading members of the Tory Cabinet means that the leader does shape the key positions in their image more and more and that is a big factor. Personally I'd worry less if Boris had a more competent senior leadership team behind him, but to be honest some of them scare me even more than he does at times. And I'm sure others would say the same for Abbott/McDonald etc.

Also I feel increasingly more of the MPs for the leading parties have to conform to the current brand of ideology in that party and there is less and less room for any that do not. An example being that all Tory MPs are signed up to the Brexit deal now. Any form of deviation of dissent seems to be increasingly eradicated.
 
Hacker Khan said:
May be very few focus exclusively on the party leader. But the number of times Dianne Abbott appears in this thread or indeed leading members of the Tory Cabinet means that the leader does shape the key positions in their image more and more and that is a big factor. Personally I'd worry less if Boris had a more competent senior leadership team behind him, but to be honest some of them scare me even more than he does at times. And I'm sure others would say the same for Abbott/McDonald etc.

Also I feel increasingly more of the MPs for the leading parties have to conform to the current brand of ideology in that party and there is less and less room for any that do not. An example being that all Tory MPs are signed up to the Brexit deal now. Any form of deviation of dissent seems to be increasingly eradicated.
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True. I wonder how long Corbyn, Johnson or Swinson would be leaders because we the public do not have a direct input to their replacements.

On the Tory demands their MPs support Brexit, at least that was a public decision.
 
Went to a pit reunion last night. 200 lads there at night time. 70 retired old lads during the day. Talk was centred around lads who had died through the last year, pensions and the general election. Very Suprised how nigh on everyone said there was no way they were voting for Labour. The same reason was given. Jeremy Corbyn. There were about a dozen of us talking and one of the lads hit the nail firmly on the head. He said " I have not left Labour, Labour have left me". The silence was deafening. I could not put it better. I feel millions of voters feel the same way that Labour have lost there way.
Bottom line, we will be stuck with a woeful Tory Government.
 
Can you Labour switch away from the left even if McDonald and Corbyn go ? (assuming they stick to their word and stand down if they don't get into power).
 
I agree Labour have gone too far to the left and have lost their focus.

People simply don’t trust Corbyn or Macdonald, now if they had a more centrist leader, say Kier Starmer, and a less radical/ more believable manifesto, then they would be wiping the floor with everybody else.

Tell me I’m wrong
 
PhilTheFragger said:
I agree Labour have gone too far to the left and have lost their focus.

People simply don’t trust Corbyn or Macdonald, now if they had a more centrist leader, say Kier Starmer, and a less radical/ more believable manifesto, then they would be wiping the floor with everybody else.

Tell me I’m wrong
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You're not wrong
 
PhilTheFragger said:
I agree Labour have gone too far to the left and have lost their focus.

People simply don’t trust Corbyn or Macdonald, now if they had a more centrist leader, say Kier Starmer, and a less radical/ more believable manifesto, then they would be wiping the floor with everybody else.

Tell me I’m wrong
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I don't think you're wrong, but I can't see how they regain control. If Brexit goes ahead will the torys be able to move back to a more central position too or will trade negotiations scupper that ?
I hope that trade talks will become a cross party affair but they have to get a major it y first and then hope corbyn sticks to his promise.
 
Tashyboy said:
Went to a pit reunion last night. 200 lads there at night time. 70 retired old lads during the day. Talk was centred around lads who had died through the last year, pensions and the general election. Very Suprised how nigh on everyone said there was no way they were voting for Labour. The same reason was given. Jeremy Corbyn. There were about a dozen of us talking and one of the lads hit the nail firmly on the head. He said " I have not left Labour, Labour have left me". The silence was deafening. I could not put it better. I feel millions of voters feel the same way that Labour have lost there way.
Bottom line, we will be stuck with a woeful Tory Government.
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It’s sad that so many people haven’t got a clue and believe the propaganda against Corbyn and Labour and it will consign us to another period of the Tories destroying the working class.
 
Kellfire said:
It’s sad that so many people haven’t got a clue and believe the propaganda against Corbyn and Labour and it will consign us to another period of the Tories destroying the working class.
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i think people are well versed on what an appaling politician and human being Corbyn is. For the leader of the opposition to have the most appalling ratings going into an election agaisnt someone as divisive as Borris sums it up - Corbyn should not even be allowed to be in the running as he is not fit to be a local councillior let alone someone that could be leading our country into ruin!
 
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