SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
That matters because?Tommy Robinson is endorsing Johnson's Tories
John Major is not.
That is were we are folks.
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Wolf
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Let's be honest here Doon if he backs Boris then people like you moan, if he backed Corbyn others or even you would say something then because he is backing a party with antisemitic issues.Tommy Robinson is endorsing Johnson's Tories
John Major is not.
That is were we are folks.
Tommy Robinson is nothing more than dreg of society and nobody with half a morsal of intelligence cares who he backs because they know he's a bell end and can make their own minds up.
As for John Major again who cares his time is truly past and someone that thought good judgement was to shag Edwina Curry shouldn't be listened to. But equally you could have also been a little more balanced with that post by also mentioning the fact Tony Blair has said he is urging people not to vote for Corbyn.
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Of course not, as you don't appear to have any answers.
Wolf
Well-known member
What if he'd backed labour with all there antisetism issues it doesn't matter who he backs the other side will state its damming. Tommy Robinson is not someone people with intelligence will listen to.
As for Major is it damming perhaps, but as I point out above Blair has done the same thing urging people not to vote Labour. Also damming would you not agree then.
Every party has idiot supporters. Ken Livingstone has some great tweets running.
Wolf
Well-known member
Just like the vacuous Lily Allen.. See she replied to a tweet earlier where someone asked how is it possible there are 400 billionaires, her reply was because everyone keeps voting Conservative... Yes Lily clearly all those 400 billionaires made that money purely since Tories came into power in 2010 and had nothing under previous regimes did they ?
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
I would be interested if anyone on here has changed their voting intentions since the last election
My guess that it will not be many, if any,
Therefore the guff that has been spouted in these pages over the last 6 weeks has been a complete and utter waste of time.
However it has diverted attention away from the Brexit and footy threads ?
My guess that it will not be many, if any,
Therefore the guff that has been spouted in these pages over the last 6 weeks has been a complete and utter waste of time.
However it has diverted attention away from the Brexit and footy threads ?
ger147
Tour Winner
At least 1 person has switched sides, Paul is nailed on to vote Tory this time is he not?
In the run up to the Brexit referendum the discussion in here, and a lot of research on the back of the discussion points in here led me to change my voting intention. The Brexit thread has confirmed that I made the right choice for me.
The debate in recent weeks, along with the performances of the political parties has led me to change my voting intention.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I change on a regular basis depending on the candidate and the parties current manifestos. I know you said 'since the last election' which is a short time span so fewer are likely to have changed, but I have voted for at least 5 parties over my voting lifetime in general and local elections. And it's completely feasible that that may rise to 6 in this one as Soubry is standing where I am for the Tiggers. Individuals, society and especially now parties all change over time, so I see no reason why someones voting intentions should not. Pretty sure I voted for the tories back in the 80s I think. And if they would have elected Rory Stewart as leader, promoted the more one nation tories and expelled the UKIPy ones, instead of doing the opposite, then who knows this time.
You could argue the Blair's Labour party is closer to Majors Tories than it is to Corbyn's Labour party. And vice versa, Majors is closer to Blair's than Boris's. I'd even argue Boris's current incarnation is closer to UKIP as was, than it is to Majors Tories. To be honest if people just vote the same every time no matter what is happening in the world or who is in charge of the party then that is the kind of uncritical analysis they rely on. And the 'see/hear no evil' approach to me is part of the reason we are where we are in such a divided nation with a poor set of politicians.
And I will have to change my voting intention this time as the party I voted for last time is not fielding a candidate this time. Admittedly seeing people trying to justify Boris's cowardice in avoiding interviews when you know god damn well if it was Corbyn avoiding them they'd be all over it constantly, isn't going to convince me to vote Tory. But at least this thread has helped me rule out a few options this time.
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We were looking into this yesterday , my vote is meaningless
Tory strong hold and heavy Brexit area .. you would need a massive swing to have any form of change .
6 doors away the lines change into a heavy labour area.
Tactical voting the way forward
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I'd always argue any vote is not meaningless as a reduced majority still sends a message. Good point about tactical voting as I think that is a lot more prominent this time around so may well change more peoples voting intentions than usual.
Unfortunately latest analysis says that the lib dems will gain some votes from the tories but not enough to turn seats from tory to lib dem. Where as the tories will gain some votes from labour which will be enough to turn seats and give them a majority. So although the number of votes cast for the parties will stay much the same, the constituencies where the votes are gained or lost and which will flip will work in the tories favour. Although in the interests of fairness I appreciate some may see that as good news.
Wolf
Well-known member
I’d potentially argue that this time round has seen a huge shift in where people are potentially placing their vote. This thread and discussion has been quite interesting I think and has highlighted some areas I may potentially have not looked at.
I’ve seen so many people changing votes through my social media feeds alone, sadly in some cases it’s due to believing propaganda imagery and half truths instead of being based on manifesto. That being said I do know others that have changed based on policy and have decided to vote Labour, Tory & Lib Dem’s respectively.
I also think this thread and the GE build up will have more people potentially voting for independant candidates in local areas due to lack of trust in the main contenders and thus tactical voting will be at its highest ever rate.
As for my own vote it has indeed changed not on the basis of this thread but it has helped me form my opinion, but on the manifesto and pledges put forward.
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
Good stuff, nice to see some proper debate and thought out opinions compared to the normal scaremongering arguments down party lines.
I haven’t changed my opinion, I don’t like Johnson, but I like Corbyn even less,
I haven’t changed my opinion, I don’t like Johnson, but I like Corbyn even less,
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Would my ballot paper be classed as spoiled if I present it with a hole in it?
Considering chucking a dart at it and putting my X where it lands....
Mind you, there's only 4 on the list so I could miss altogether....
Considering chucking a dart at it and putting my X where it lands....
Mind you, there's only 4 on the list so I could miss altogether....
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BBC fact checker can be very annoying
How about you have someone fact checking during the debate and put it on the screen so people can see?
How about you have someone fact checking during the debate and put it on the screen so people can see?
Wolf
Well-known member
I agree I don’t particularly like Boris and the Tory manifesto pretty much promises not a lot other than Brexit. Can’t stand Corbyn and the Labour pledges are up there with Fairy tales the likes of a Walt Disney wouldn’t even put into film. My vote won’t find either or their parties on my ballot paper.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Tactical voting will be huge in Scotland, so many options.
Pro Unionist/anti Brexit
Pro Unionist/Brexit anti SNP
Pro Indy/anti Brexit
Pro Indy/anti SNP
Pro Scots Tory or Scots Labour anti Corbyn or Johnson and vice versa.
Nothing is nailed down and we could see some big surprises.
Pro Unionist/anti Brexit
Pro Unionist/Brexit anti SNP
Pro Indy/anti Brexit
Pro Indy/anti SNP
Pro Scots Tory or Scots Labour anti Corbyn or Johnson and vice versa.
Nothing is nailed down and we could see some big surprises.
spongebob59
Journeyman Pro
This sums it up perfectly, who is the least worst choice.
|f the Lib dems had backed a second referendum/peoples vote rather than going all in, I wonder if the picture would be different.
|f the Lib dems had backed a second referendum/peoples vote rather than going all in, I wonder if the picture would be different.
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