AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

[Wolf]

Immigration is currently controlled by economics... supply and demand. People are not moving to a different country to be idle, despite what some right wing commentators would have you believe. The vast vast majority are working, paying taxes, boosting the economy.

When people talk about 'controlled immigration' they inevitably mean 'less immigration'.

Post Brexit, you might have controlled immigration, but I'm willing to bet that the UK Gov (or UK based companies who the gov are forced into giving visa powers) will be spending millions sending teams to jobs fairs in Europe, Asia, Africa etc. screaming for people to come and work on building sites, in hospitals, in hospitality etc.

Ultimately fewer people of working age in the country will be bad for our economy and bad for our population. As I've said, some work required on encouraging the population away from London / SE.

Ironically even with the so called immigration issue we have this is exactly what the Army have had to do already since privatising their recruitment to Capita, spent millions in going to commonwealth countries to recruit soldiers across all trades and then fast tracking their applications, visas and recruitment. Reason being they were failing so badly in hitting recruitment targets here in the UK, they were doing it so often the chiefs of staff actually had to bring a halt to commonwealth recruitment a few months back to make capita focus on homegrown recruitment.

I agree entirely immigration is controlled by economics in all industries.

 

[chrisd]

So you'll use Andrew Neil's interviews to form an opinion of one leader but don't want another leader to go on as you feel it would be a waste of time? You obviously watch them as you seem to comment on each one he does.

I dont care one way or another if Boris decides to to an interview with AN anymore than any of the other leaders. I dont feel he's required to do it just because they have done it. I do watch them but I'd wager that 80% of the country voters don't bother to. By the way, I really dont need AN's help to form my opinion of Krankie, Corbyn, Swinson, Farage or Boris and nothing I've seen from the interviews so far have altered my views one jot.

 

[MegaSteve]

Corbyn doesn't like the working classes, he likes the islington elite set, the middle class socialists that are driving his stormtrooper momentum brigade, mainly made up of state employed or retired who have never worked in the real world of business and industry but on the last bastions of trade union control. The working classes (what ever that means now) have been lied to and ignored because they tend to want to leave the EU as they don't see the benifits but are at the brunt end of the effects social engineering has hoisted on their lives. Its OK for these armchair socialists in their leafy suburban homes to suggest the proletariat unwashed with their uneducated and racist views dont know what's good for them but these views are starting to surface and be exposed for the high horse balderdash they are.

Many of us from the 'working classes' do indeed (myself included) want Brexit... However, we also have many other concerns... None of which a Boris led team tory show any indication of seeking solutions let alone provide them...

As for racism, seems to me, the Labour group (quite rightly) are expected to wear their antisemitism badge with shame... Whilst the Tory group are almost encouraged to wear their islamophobic badge with honour...

 

[Wolf]

Tory candidate Sally Ann Hart doing a lot to endear herself to her local constituency in Hastings and Rye, being filmed defending an article about disabled people should be paid less as the don't understand money

 

[drdel]

I dont care one way or another if Boris decides to to an interview with AN anymore than any of the other leaders. I dont feel he's required to do it just because they have done it. I do watch them but I'd wager that 80% of the country voters don't bother to. By the way, I really dont need AN's help to form my opinion of Krankie, Corbyn, Swinson, Farage or Boris and nothing I've seen from the interviews so far have altered my views one jot.

Yup I agree. AN demonstrated his total arrogance and a sole desire to self promote.

His style is rude and entirely based on continuous confrontation and interruption. His aggression is a simple technique intended to put his interviewee on the back-foot with no time to think or answer properly.

He has decided that he is the BBC's royalty and everyone should bow to his 'court' : his 'empty chair' (IMO) was just a stupid stunt designed only to fill air-time in the media bubble that is largely ignored by the voters of the UK.

 

[Wolf]

I dont care one way or another if Boris decides to to an interview with AN anymore than any of the other leaders. I dont feel he's required to do it just because they have done it. I do watch them but I'd wager that 80% of the country voters don't bother to. By the way, I really dont need AN's help to form my opinion of Krankie, Corbyn, Swinson, Farage or Boris and nothing I've seen from the interviews so far have altered my views one jot.

I whole heartedly agree with this.

AN interview technique is to continually talk over his guest, come up with contrived hypothetical situations which he expects to be answered only how he wants it to be but then again speaks over the answer. His interviews don't give good factual content on subject matters they just serve his ego, this latest stunt is so self serving and I'd respect Boris or any leader more if they simply ignored it completely without giving it any air time.

For me Swinson and Farage have come out of the AN show better than others for simply not rolling over to his antics. None of his interviews have changed my opinion on any party or their leaders because the interviews have been more about AN than they actually have about proper political debate and questioning

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I dont care one way or another if Boris decides to to an interview with AN anymore than any of the other leaders. I dont feel he's required to do it just because they have done it. I do watch them but I'd wager that 80% of the country voters don't bother to. By the way, I really dont need AN's help to form my opinion of Krankie, Corbyn, Swinson, Farage or Boris and nothing I've seen from the interviews so far have altered my views one jot.

In Johnson I see a blustering, disingenuous blowhard, and AN simply does not stand for waffle from those he is interviewing - and when he hears waffle or avoidance he stops them in their tracks - and that is what Johnson and his handlers are worried about and want to avoid - Johnson being exposed as an empty charlatan.

If he is not and he is confident of his position, policies and arguments, then AN will be kept in his place and Johnson will demonstrate his clear vision and great leadership qualities. Job done. Worthy of our vote - as it is he - Johnson - for whom many Conservative votes will be cast in support of.

 

[PNWokingham]

So Labour were in government in 2003-04 and worked to get it down to the much lower level it was at when the Conservatives came to power in 2010.

We know all about austerity and why the conservatives say it was essential - but austerity was a Conservative government choice - and it was the choice of the Conservatives where the cuts were made. Lying about responsibility is not the same as not having any credibility.

Why is Javid saying what he is saying about homelessness since 2010 when it is simply not true.

it is easy to have more money for services of all kinds when you are a government splurging cas and borrowing heavily in a strong and long econonomic boom when they should have been saving time for the inevitable downturn - and guess what, the downturn was a big one and left a catastophic mess for the conservatives who had no choice than to slash spending as there was no reduction in national debt from the boom years to cushion the downturn and 10% budget defecit

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

it is easy to have more money for services of all kinds when you are a government splurging cas and borrowing heavily in a strong and long econonomic boom when they should have been saving time for the inevitable downturn - and guess what, the downturn was a big one and left a catastophic mess for the conservatives who had no choice than to slash spending as there was no reduction in national debt from the boom years to cushion the downturn and 10% budget defecit

The increase in homelessness since 2010 was under the Conservative Party government and was not helped by cuts in services made by the government. The Labour PArty did not make the cuts. The Conservative Party chose where to make the cuts (and they could have increased tax to compensate - but didn't). Javid said the increase in homelessness was the fault of the Labour Party - that is simply not true.

 

[HughJars]

I see John Nicolson is not standing for the SNP. Thought he was pretty good but a little too full of himself at times.

Ochil & South Perthshire seat

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Leaked government NI documents show Johnson is telling serious lies about his 'tariff free zones'.
Document also predicts the very negative outcome that Brexit will have on NI, Wales and Scotland.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ochil & South Perthshire seat

Ah right - still think he can be a bit full of himself - he being an ex-TV presenter an' 'at.

 

[chrisd]

In Johnson I see a blustering, disingenuous blowhard, and AN simply does not stand for waffle from those he is interviewing - and when he hears waffle or avoidance he stops them in their tracks - and that is what Johnson and his handlers are worried about and want to avoid - Johnson being exposed as an empty charlatan.

If he is not and he is confident of his position, policies and arguments, then AN will be kept in his place and Johnson will demonstrate his clear vision and great leadership qualities. Job done. Worthy of our vote - as it is he - Johnson - for whom many Conservative votes will be cast in support of.

We all know you think of Boris and on a golf forum with about 20 regular contributors to a thread, I dont think any of our opinions matter one jot to any of the others, and certainly I for one cant be arsed to argue with you. As far as I'm concerned you will never be swayed so there is little point in trying wheras at least Paul , Wolf and others have something of an open mind and will at least be convinced if a point is well made.

I for one will be very happy if Boris wins with a decent majority and we leave the EU on the 31st just to change your emphasis to the trade deal which, of course, will all be negative but will at least be something new to winge about

 

[Dando]

In Johnson I see a blustering, disingenuous blowhard, and AN simply does not stand for waffle from those he is interviewing - and when he hears waffle or avoidance he stops them in their tracks - and that is what Johnson and his handlers are worried about and want to avoid - Johnson being exposed as an empty charlatan.

If he is not and he is confident of his position, policies and arguments, then AN will be kept in his place and Johnson will demonstrate his clear vision and great leadership qualities. Job done. Worthy of our vote - as it is he - Johnson - for whom many Conservative votes will be cast in support of.

AN would have a field day with your waffling posts

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Leaked government NI documents show Johnson is telling serious lies about his 'tariff free zones'.
Document also predicts the very negative outcome that Brexit will have on NI, Wales and Scotland.

which if course is part of why he won't be subjected to scrutiny - all he would do would double down on his existing deceits and create more. And it seems that - Trump-like - his core vote doesn't care about his deceits - they've decided to vote for him (via their Tory Party Candidate) on the basis of his Getting Brexit Done promise regardless of what we might now understand about what that actually means and what Tory Paty policies might mean for them individually

 

[SocketRocket]

It's to do with Javid as a minister of a Conservative government and as housing minister for a time in the last ten years. It's to do with Javid as it is he who claimed that the current level of homelessness is down to the previous Labour government.

The level of homelessness that we have today is a lot greater than it was ten yrs ago when the Tory Party came to power. And we know that austerity-related cuts have hit services that support those at risk of becoming homeless. Austerity was/is Conservative Party policy and that policy will have had an impact on homelessness. Nowhere did I say that making any individual or group of individuals homeless was a Conservative Party policy. However it is a FACT that homelessness has risen under the Tories - this is not the fault of the previous Labour government as Javid asserted.

If you're blaming austerity (reduced borrowing) for homelessness then it is the fault of Browns government due to his borrowing and spending frenzy he created in the death throws of his government. Now, please explain to me how people become homeless and how and what services prevent it.

 

[SocketRocket]

What’s all this “Dib Dob” stuff that people are posting on here?

Back in the 1960’s DYB DOB was a Scout chant meaning “Do Your Best- Do Our Best”

Now it seems to have been hijacked for political purposes or point scoring.
Which is a shame

Its this #2Blue guy, he uses it as a silly put down but doesn't seem to understand its meaning.

 

[Wolf]

which if course is part of why he won't be subjected to scrutiny - all he would do would double down on his existing deceits and create more. And it seems that - Trump-like - his core vote doesn't care about his deceits - they've decided to vote for him (via their Tory Party Candidate) on the basis of his Getting Brexit Done promise regardless of what we might now understand about what that actually means and what Tory Paty policies might mean for them individually

You really dont help yourself, perhaps and just try to imagine for a moment people are voting on policy/manifesto rather than their as you call lack of care about his deceit. Do i like Boris? No, has he been proven to lie? Yes. Does this bother me? Of course it does. However voting labour with their wing and a prayer manifesto that will cause huge economic ramifications for our nation, my family and thousands of other families being impacted by taxes even by not being a top 5% earner is simply a no go for me and thats based on that last line about party policies meaning individually.

Then theres the Tory party itself did they give us austerity of course they did but there was no other option avaialbe due to the spending of the previous Labour Party leadership which i voted for previously. However they failed me as a voter hence why the Tories came to power. The current Tory manifesto has less social impact on my family l has several flaws as well that im not keen on, but does also promise to deliver the democratic vote people chose with leaving the EU (in which i voted to remain) so again whether i wanted remain or not i accept the democratic vote and we should leave the EU based on what people wanted. Is it Boris or Tory fault we havent left yet, not entirely as it was cross parliament decisions that have left us in this sorry state its a collective responsibility for all parties but again its easy to blame the ones in power with a blind lack of looking at facts.

Its easy in your blind dislike of Boris to state people are voting for him because they don't cate about his issues or past. Its also easy to throw the same tripe at any party leader like some are doing with Corbyn, Swinson, Farage and Sturgeon.

But perhaps you should try to consider people are actually intelligent enough to make their own decisions based on what is being proposed by each party despite the fact the leaders all have their own flaws, issues and have all been caught out telling some varying degrees of untruths. Because ultimately we don't get to choose the party leader but we do get to choose which party will lead us in the beliefs we have.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The polite way to admit boris had lied again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1202895283916562432

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You really dont help yourself, perhaps and just try to imagine for a moment people are voting on policy/manifesto rather than their as you call lack of care about his deceit. Do i like Boris? No, has he been proven to lie? Yes. Does this bother me? Of course it does. However voting labour with their wing and a prayer manifesto that will cause huge economic ramifications for our nation, my family and thousands of other families being impacted by taxes even by not being a top 5% earner is simply a no go for me and thats based on that last line about party policies meaning individually.

Then theres the Tory party itself did they give us austerity of course they did but there was no other option avaialbe due to the spending of the previous Labour Party leadership which i voted for previously. However they failed me as a voter hence why the Tories came to power. The current Tory manifesto has less social impact on my family l has several flaws as well that im not keen on, but does also promise to deliver the democratic vote people chose with leaving the EU (in which i voted to remain) so again whether i wanted remain or not i accept the democratic vote and we should leave the EU based on what people wanted. Is it Boris or Tory fault we havent left yet, not entirely as it was cross parliament decisions that have left us in this sorry state its a collective responsibility for all parties but again its easy to blame the ones in power with a blind lack of looking at facts.

Its easy in your blind dislike of Boris to state people are voting for him because they don't cate about his issues or past. Its also easy to throw the same tripe at any party leader like some are doing with Corbyn, Swinson, Farage and Sturgeon.

But perhaps you should try to consider people are actually intelligent enough to make their own decisions based on what is being proposed by each party despite the fact the leaders all have their own flaws, issues and have all been caught out telling some varying degrees of untruths. Because ultimately we don't get to choose the party leader but we do get to choose which party will lead us in the beliefs we have.

Since 2015 up until now, 100% tory responsibility.

The facts are indisputable:
Cameron promises vote to stop ukip vote in GE.
Cameron calls vote.
Cameron loses - legs it.
Pause for tory leadership election.
TM wins, calls another GE for vanity purposes. - loses overall majority.
Propped up by bribing DUP
2 years of negotiations with no cross party involvement.
Loses vote on her deal 3 times, Tories (incl boris jrm etc vote against it)
She runs away
Another pause for tory leadership election.
boris gets deal, passes through 1st stage of parliament - won’t budge on 3 days discussion.
Calls GE.

Please explain how any other party controlled that.

And I voted Leave.