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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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maxfli65 said:
Outside of the 24 hour news channels and papers is there any sense of excitement or intrigue from the public about this upcoming election? Seems apathy and disinterest may prevail imho. December may have something to do with it but I think people have had enough, 3rd GE in 4.5 years. I just cant see or feel any sense of expectancy or passion about this election when out and about or chatting to people, almost like you wouldn't know it's happening.

I just don't think it's going to make any difference. We have a bad PM and Govt and we have a bad opposition. Swinson is unconvincing for me and for us way up north Sturgeon's becoming tired sounding, seems to have lost a bit of energy and focus.

After 9 years of Tory Govt we need a change but the prospect of change is unappealing given Corbyn and co so we will reluctantly still be better under this bad Government come Dec 13.
The parading of a smug Johnson just before Christmas is a prospect I abhor so I hope we end up just where we are now in parliament with a minority govt so he is made to look as average as he really is.

Abstaining is a very real choice at present.

Appreciate a lot of people have died for our freedoms but on this occasion not voting seems the best way to shown how uninspired with leadership in politics we are.
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is the malaise we have been experiencing something people would want to continue. I just dont think it is.
 
SocketRocket said:
is the malaise we have been experiencing something people would want to continue. I just dont think it is.
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I dont know, just seemed in 2015 and then again in 2017 there was excitement and enthusiasm in politics leading up to them, the Brexit saga has been quite good viewing and dramatic but this GE is dull and I dont think is needed or is the answer as chances are we'll not see much difference in commons numbers come 13th. I just dont think Boris is going to get the numbers he wants. Traditional Tory strongholds seem to be very split over him as leader as he's turned their once broad party into UKIP. Turnout is going to be below the norm I think.

There is no positive message that the electorate can grab onto, only negatives from the leading parties, just empty soundbites everyone is sick of - of those negatives I do think Labour's expose (alleged) of Tory policy over any NHS sell off for a US trade deal is going to stick and work for them. Everyone can relate to that. Conversely the neutral Corbyn stance on Brexit which Boris repeatedly targets Labour with only seems to upset hard leavers and does not bother most people, doesn't carry much clout for me. The anti Semitism thing which is the other negative that Boris targets Corbyn with - I cant gauge how big an issue it is for joe public, it's not really a tangible thing that the general electorate (aside from the Jewish community) relate to or are affected by, so will that influence voting significantly?
 
maxfli65 said:
I dont know, just seemed in 2015 and then again in 2017 there was excitement and enthusiasm in politics leading up to them, the Brexit saga has been quite good viewing and dramatic but this GE is dull and I dont think is needed or is the answer as chances are we'll not see much difference in commons numbers come 13th. I just dont think Boris is going to get the numbers he wants. Traditional Tory strongholds seem to be very split over him as leader as he's turned their once broad party into UKIP. Turnout is going to be below the norm I think.

There is no positive message that the electorate can grab onto, only negatives from the leading parties, just empty soundbites everyone is sick of - of those negatives I do think Labour's expose (alleged) of Tory policy over any NHS sell off for a US trade deal is going to stick and work for them. Everyone can relate to that. Conversely the neutral Corbyn stance on Brexit which Boris repeatedly targets Labour with only seems to upset hard leavers and does not bother most people, doesn't carry much clout for me. The anti Semitism thing which is the other negative that Boris targets Corbyn with - I cant gauge how big an issue it is for joe public, it's not really a tangible thing that the general electorate (aside from the Jewish community) relate to or are affected by, so will that influence voting significantly?
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I think the lack of confidence in Corbyn with traditional Labour supporters is very big and will hurt them. Just imagine another 5 years of minority government with the current parliament act. People will certainly be brassed off with that.
 
maxfli65 said:
Outside of the 24 hour news channels and papers is there any sense of excitement or intrigue from the public about this upcoming election? Seems apathy and disinterest may prevail imho. December may have something to do with it but I think people have had enough, 3rd GE in 4.5 years. I just cant see or feel any sense of expectancy or passion about this election when out and about or chatting to people, almost like you wouldn't know it's happening.

I just don't think it's going to make any difference. We have a bad PM and Govt and we have a bad opposition. Swinson is unconvincing for me and for us way up north Sturgeon's becoming tired sounding, seems to have lost a bit of energy and focus.

After 9 years of Tory Govt we need a change but the prospect of change is unappealing given Corbyn and co so we will reluctantly still be better under this bad Government come Dec 13.
The parading of a smug Johnson just before Christmas is a prospect I abhor so I hope we end up just where we are now in parliament with a minority govt so he is made to look as average as he really is.

Abstaining is a very real choice at present.

Appreciate a lot of people have died for our freedoms but on this occasion not voting seems the best way to shown how uninspired with leadership in politics we are.
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My choice is a simple one. Anyone bar Corbyn.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I don't imagine his constituents will see it like 'he was bright enough' when they vote on 12th Dec.
More like a man/child who lacks any moral courage and runs away from Neil's interview.
If he cannot stand up to Neil how the hell is he going to manage Putin and Trump.

I imagine that the guy dressed up like a chicken will be following Johnson for the rest of the election.
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So, do Wee Krankies constituents see her as a hero for going on an interview and excuse her coming out of it as a completely inept muppet, who's only reason to be a politician is to take her country out of the clutches of Westminster and then to hand control to the, even more dictatorial, EU ?

I think BJ's constituents will be pleased to have the PM as their MP 😋
 
chrisd said:
So, do Wee Krankies constituents see her as a hero for going on an interview and excuse her coming out of it as a completely inept muppet, who's only reason to be a politician is to take her country out of the clutches of Westminster and then to hand control to the, even more dictatorial, EU ?

I think BJ's constituents will be pleased to have the PM as their MP 😋
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Surely the answer to your question is it should be up to someone from Scotland to decide their future.

As for your second point, I hope you don't get egg on your face if Johnson isn't re-elected.
 
chrisd said:
So, do Wee Krankies constituents see her as a hero for going on an interview and excuse her coming out of it as a completely inept muppet, who's only reason to be a politician is to take her country out of the clutches of Westminster and then to hand control to the, even more dictatorial, EU ?

I think BJ's constituents will be pleased to have the PM as their MP 😋
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Hero. Celebrated with black pudding, haggis and slice in a McGhee's crispy roll washed down with bru.
 
drdel said:
You can believe the soundbite twisted FB, Twitter guff and other out of context material rumour if you wish I prefer to research for the facts.
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As long as those facts are not from a 30 minute one on one interview with Andrew Neil asking hard questions? So you want to see the real facts and not rely on social media, but then it's Ok for someone to refuse to do such an interview that gives the public the chance to elaborate on their facts and beliefs?
 
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If Johnson is going to skip Neil and try for a puff piece with Marr instead, then the Marr interview should be about the London Bridge incident and nothing more, no election content.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1200830820958851073

Goodness me, even Hartley-Brewer thinks he is a coward.
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Jesus wept, I'm now agreeing with Julia Hartley Brewer. Look what this whole debacle has reduced us too, first I agree with Farage over reform of the voting system and now this. If Katie Hopkins posts much the same and I have to agree with her then that's it, the shark has well and truly been jumped and I'm out of here .......;)
 
drdel said:
Sorry but its the Andrew Neal Show designed by him solely to make himself look good at the expense at whoever is foolish enough to sit opposite and enable him to maintain/enhance his reputation for being a ruthless interviewer (IMO accurately characterised as rude and arrogant) !!

By the way the 'public' rarely watch these programmes: viewers are usual a politically aware BBC minority (see the viewing stats) so it largely preaching to the entrenched.

There are suggestions the PM will be on the Marr show...
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Really?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1201069807254282240
 
After that Marr interview you can clearly see why Johnston's puppet masters are desperate to keep him as far away from Neil as possible.

Quite hilarious Marr adopting Johnson's tactics of talking all over him and coming out a clear winner.

Marr-Tory government have been in control for 10 years
Johnson- waffle waffle Labour
Marr 10 years, Johnson- splutter splutter Corbyn
Marr 10 years-Johnson but but Miliband
Marr 10 years- Johnson wha wha. Kinnock..

[Those last two comments may be a lie but I will allow them for political debate.];)
 
Hacker Khan said:
Really?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1201069807254282240
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Let us not get carried away thinking the UK 'public' is hugely concerned with political TV programmes. AN's usual number of viewers float around 3.5mill. - about 15% of total.

Average ITV audience is 12.5mill and BBC 11.3mill
World Cup 20+ mill
Coronation St 7m
Emmerdale 6.5mill
BBC News 5mill
Question Time Special 4.2 mill viewers
 
Quite sad really, an mp getting slagged from all corners for not taking part in the media circus, it's getting to the same levels as the last US election, hatred from one side.
I'm not really fussed whether he does an interview or not, but again it smacks of desperation and nastiness from the left.
 
Beezerk said:
Quite sad really, an mp getting slagged from all corners for not taking part in the media circus, it's getting to the same levels as the last US election, hatred from one side.
I'm not really fussed whether he does an interview or not, but again it smacks of desperation and nastiness from the left.
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Not just “an mp” but the PM.
If he can’t face a few tough questions from Neil how can he cope against ruthless, equally well educated, better prepared and more knowledgeable world leaders.
Can he be trusted in times of brinksmanship or national and international emergency?
 
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