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ColchesterFC
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Thanks for the reply, that makes more sense to me now. I assumed that we already had a non US supplier for these drugs rather than buying them at a discounted rate.
I'm not 100% sure but it might be the EU trade deal with the US that agreed the drug prices being at this low level at the moment
worth haveing a watch of the program sheds some light on it was on a few weeks ago
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Deleted member 16999
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Isn’t some of the spin/concerns that the deal would be along the lines of.....We’ll open up that (xyz) for a deal if you open the NHS and vice versa.
Like others have said, everyone is telling some lies during this election.
Like others have said, everyone is telling some lies during this election.
SocketRocket
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What EU trade deal with the US would that be? I am not aware they have one.
The reason the nhs can negotiate lower drug prices is due to its size, the usa does not have a single source of purchase so the smaller organisations don't have the same purchasing clout.
This talk of privatising the NHS is project fear on drugs (excuse the pun)
as i said not 100% you will have to check out the despatches program that was about this...i would write to C4 and complain if you know more than them on the sibject
spongebob59
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spongebob59
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spongebob59
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its a shame Laura dosn't show the same zeel when it comes to anything to do with Boris and the Conservatives.... if this was so easy to find and not secret why was it not reported before...
chrisd
Major Champion
I took the liberty of amending this 😉
have you read all 441 pages then i take it?
chrisd
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Yes of course
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Deleted member 16999
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I wonder if the BBC will mention this?
the answer Boris would be proud of
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Deleted member 16999
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Why is the NHS even being discussed at any level with anyone!
It shouldn’t even be up for discussion.
Grant85
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Obviously Labour are very keen to keep talking about the NHS and this has been a fairly big 'coup' to reveal these documents today.
However I think they want to be careful talking about the Tories Privatising the NHS. There is simply no indication that a Tory government has ever tried or even wanted to do this. Appreciate that wasn't what they were saying today, but it is a line they have used.
A clear distinction should be made between the NHS services remaining free at the point of need and the use of some private clinics to deliver certain services. In this case, the NHS pays the clinic to provide, lets say Knee Replacement surgery, perhaps when their own surgeon is at capacity. This is done routinely and is / should be a good way of managing waiting lists and NHS resource.
However goes without saying that private firms are going to gravitate towards easy or routine surgeries. And obviously there would be a cross over point where we would start to become dependent on the private firms to deliver services and it would cease to provide value for money and use up too much of the budget for the NHS to continue operating as efficiently as we would like.
However I think they want to be careful talking about the Tories Privatising the NHS. There is simply no indication that a Tory government has ever tried or even wanted to do this. Appreciate that wasn't what they were saying today, but it is a line they have used.
A clear distinction should be made between the NHS services remaining free at the point of need and the use of some private clinics to deliver certain services. In this case, the NHS pays the clinic to provide, lets say Knee Replacement surgery, perhaps when their own surgeon is at capacity. This is done routinely and is / should be a good way of managing waiting lists and NHS resource.
However goes without saying that private firms are going to gravitate towards easy or routine surgeries. And obviously there would be a cross over point where we would start to become dependent on the private firms to deliver services and it would cease to provide value for money and use up too much of the budget for the NHS to continue operating as efficiently as we would like.
thing is though they might not privatise all of it, only the bits they can make a lot of money from and as with all the other things the Tory's sold off, we were told.. it will be better, more choice more investment.... cheaper... how did that work out with Water and the Railways for example??
Old Skier
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The LibDem was ours and was binned in 24 hrs
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I'm really not sure that most folks appreciate the cost of Private Medical/Health Insurance were the NHS over time to head down a 2-Tier route - where private health insurance provides better/earlier access to services and drugs - as it does now in some areas. Note that even today private insurance often covers access to drugs that the NHS does not.
So for instance I enquired with Axa/PPP (my companies health insurance provider) about the cost of taking out insurance for my wife whilst we were travelling and my company health insurance was suspended. With her existing (fairly common - 1:8 women suffer) condition covered it was to be £520/month with a £1000 excess.
Of course I could get that down by increasing the excess to many ££££s. But having never asked that question before I was, quite frankly, shocked. I had no idea that it would be anything like that.
So just in case anyone out there is pretty sanguine or relaxed over the risk of NHS privatisation, and a possible future need to take out their own private health insurance...maybe just ask that question.
So for instance I enquired with Axa/PPP (my companies health insurance provider) about the cost of taking out insurance for my wife whilst we were travelling and my company health insurance was suspended. With her existing (fairly common - 1:8 women suffer) condition covered it was to be £520/month with a £1000 excess.
Of course I could get that down by increasing the excess to many ££££s. But having never asked that question before I was, quite frankly, shocked. I had no idea that it would be anything like that.
So just in case anyone out there is pretty sanguine or relaxed over the risk of NHS privatisation, and a possible future need to take out their own private health insurance...maybe just ask that question.
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