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I find it amazing that Tory boys highlight the Anti Semitism issues within Labour when the leader of their party has his own history with racist comments

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...gise-racist-homophobic-comments-11204372/amp/

What it does show is they are both as bad as each other

What is also clear is

People who have been largely unaffected by the yearly cuts by the Tories in this period of austerity are unable to see past their nose and look at the affect it has had on millions of people outside their leafy settlements

And the finger of blame will always be pointed towards labour

The problem is Labour have Corbyn

I would vote Labour and reading their manifesto or parts of it they seem to want to make life fairer a little bit and help those that are struggling and making rich people cough up more in taxes to help their fellow human beings - it maybe a bit too fairytale but at least it’s trying to do some good for people

I thought Tories would walk the election and we would have another decade of cuts - not sure now
 
Old Skier said:
Every reply had nothing to do with the question asked, expect much of the same from BJ to be honest.
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Yes, Boris will get the treatment too.

Corbyn's tax plans were shown up for the claim that only the £80k+ earners would pay more. He just shrugged off the £250 extra tax to those who wont receive the married persons allowance
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I find it amazing that Tory boys highlight the Anti Semitism issues within Labour when the leader of their party has his own history with racist comments

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...gise-racist-homophobic-comments-11204372/amp/

What it does show is they are both as bad as each other

What is also clear is

People who have been largely unaffected by the yearly cuts by the Tories in this period of austerity are unable to see past their nose and look at the affect it has had on millions of people outside their leafy settlements

And the finger of blame will always be pointed towards labour

The problem is Labour have Corbyn

I would vote Labour and reading their manifesto or parts of it they seem to want to make life fairer a little bit and help those that are struggling and making rich people cough up more in taxes to help their fellow human beings - it maybe a bit too fairytale but at least it’s trying to do some good for people

I thought Tories would walk the election and we would have another decade of cuts - not sure now
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Why do you think better off people can't see the problems for those that dont live down their street? Labour MPs are not exactly living in poverty and from what I can see many Labour activists dont look hard up.

Labours manifesto is just unaffordable, something that promises something for nothing is fools gold, everything has to be paid for by someone and if you think it can all be paid for by top earners and big business then think again because it can't and people like you will end up worse off when the economy tanks. Its not a bit fairytale its complete Alice in Wonderland politics.

Austerity was the result of people expecting to have standards of living they hadnt earned that was propped up by Government borrowing, the borrowing had to stop and the money has to be paid back. If you want the country to get in this mess again then get Corbyn in No10 but as night follows day the price will have to be paid again and it will be pointless blaming the bad old Tories for the next round of cuts.
 
Chief Rabbi not speaking on behalf of all Jews then:unsure:


Dear Chief Rabbi,

You have shamed your office today and rendered the Jewish people even more vulnerable to real antisemitism by reinforcing the fake, media-induced antisemitism that you recklessly impute to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.

To interfere politically at this point in an election in a way that could affect the only party that could bring hope and social justice to this country is beyond contempt and renders you unfit for office.


As a Jew and a Labour Party supporter, I am proud to be part of a venture that I see as a continuity of so many of my Jewish forbears who have fought for social justice here and in Europe.

You talk about ‘the soul of the nation being at stake’ YET have you not noticed what has happened to that soul over the last nine years where:
1. The poor have been vilified
2. The ill have been attacked
3. The mentally ill have suffered
4. Inequality has soared.
5. Greed and financial rapaciousness has flourished
6. Austerity has been unnecessarily applied after a financial crisis brought about by an out of control finance sector that has benefited the wealthiest.

Where was YOUR voice about the nation’s soul then? Yet you inveigh against a decent and honest man who, even now, maintains integrity in the face of manifest manipulation, deceit and digital sleight of hand from the Tories.

You have shamed your office, the justice loving tradition of the Jewish people and laid the grounds for future tensions in the most irresponsible way.

You seem to lack the acuity of intellect to even spot the most obvious use of this bogus antisemitism as a political weapon. Justin Schlossberg of the Media Reform Coalition called the antisemitism saga ‘a disinformation paradigm’ and made a detailed study of the issue. The great scholar, Norman Finkelstein, likewise, sees this a purely politically motivated attack.

How dare you, amateurishly intervene in this, betraying the great Jewish scholarly tradition of intellectual and analytical acumen embodied in the Talmud and the exegetics of the Chumash.

With profound sadness and considerable disgust,

Simon Cohen
 
pauldj42 said:
Chief Rabbi not speaking on behalf of all Jews then:unsure:


Dear Chief Rabbi,

You have shamed your office today and rendered the Jewish people even more vulnerable to real antisemitism by reinforcing the fake, media-induced antisemitism that you recklessly impute to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.

To interfere politically at this point in an election in a way that could affect the only party that could bring hope and social justice to this country is beyond contempt and renders you unfit for office.


As a Jew and a Labour Party supporter, I am proud to be part of a venture that I see as a continuity of so many of my Jewish forbears who have fought for social justice here and in Europe.

You talk about ‘the soul of the nation being at stake’ YET have you not noticed what has happened to that soul over the last nine years where:
1. The poor have been vilified
2. The ill have been attacked
3. The mentally ill have suffered
4. Inequality has soared.
5. Greed and financial rapaciousness has flourished
6. Austerity has been unnecessarily applied after a financial crisis brought about by an out of control finance sector that has benefited the wealthiest.

Where was YOUR voice about the nation’s soul then? Yet you inveigh against a decent and honest man who, even now, maintains integrity in the face of manifest manipulation, deceit and digital sleight of hand from the Tories.

You have shamed your office, the justice loving tradition of the Jewish people and laid the grounds for future tensions in the most irresponsible way.

You seem to lack the acuity of intellect to even spot the most obvious use of this bogus antisemitism as a political weapon. Justin Schlossberg of the Media Reform Coalition called the antisemitism saga ‘a disinformation paradigm’ and made a detailed study of the issue. The great scholar, Norman Finkelstein, likewise, sees this a purely politically motivated attack.

How dare you, amateurishly intervene in this, betraying the great Jewish scholarly tradition of intellectual and analytical acumen embodied in the Talmud and the exegetics of the Chumash.

With profound sadness and considerable disgust,

Simon Cohen
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Its a tough one. Should religious leaders use their position to interfere in politics? Simon Cohen's response, irrespective of whether he is right or not, shows that they shouldn't - IMO. Religious leaders should be accessible to all members of their faith. But by speaking out as he has, a number of jews may feel they can no longer approach him. Equally, Simon Cohen has a vested interest and a bias of his own.

The Equalities Commission is investigating Labour. Why should the Chief Rabbi speak out? Its not a difficult question to ponder, and I'm sure we could all come up with our own version we believe in.

A bit like all the info that's come out on Brexit, shining a spotlight on institutional racism has, sadly, revealed some disappointing insights. There are racism claims against all the major parties. There is no point in saying this party is worse than that party, as ALL of it is a disgrace on our country. Our leaders should be leading the country away from things like racism... what a choice we have...
 
On 5 live today it was said that one Tory candidate was accused of posting insulting words on social media and was sacked immediately, I believe they said the Lib Dems had one sacked for the same reason and 9 Labour candidates were reported too and none have been stood down
 
chrisd said:
On 5 live today it was said that one Tory candidate was accused of posting insulting words on social media and was sacked immediately, I believe they said the Lib Dems had one sacked for the same reason and 9 Labour candidates were reported too and none have been stood down
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There’s been 2 tory candidates suspended for antisemitism and holocaust denial in the last fortnight.
This one is standing though.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/conservative-candidate-islamophobic-tweet
 
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