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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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chrisd said:
If Corbyn only does half of his manifesto promises he will still bankrupt the country.

Much better to tread a steady path and be in a strong position especially if the EU countries go into recession
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I don’t see the other manifesto’s putting us in a strong position either though Chris, and what if the half he got right was to improve the economy also?
 
pauldj42 said:
I don’t see the other manifesto’s putting us in a strong position either though Chris, and what if the half he got right was to improve the economy also?
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I agree that the other manifesto's don't look like putting the UK in a strong position but is there any aspect of Labour's manifesto that puts the UK in a strong position. There's a lot in it that would improve the lot of the disadvantaged but would (probably) bankrupt the UK.

Perhaps the question should be which manifesto is the riskiest.
 
pauldj42 said:
I don’t see the other manifesto’s putting us in a strong position either though Chris, and what if the half he got right was to improve the economy also?
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We're doing ok as a country and I reckon steady improvement is the answer. Corbyn imo will not do anything but bankrupt the country as Labour nearly did last time
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Yes - you are quite right. The anecdotal evidence that Grant85 and I could share is not for sharing - but he will I am sure be able to confirm the frustration and sometimes anger that our wives share with us on their return home - with my wife this was daily. And in the group of nurses that my wife training and worked with back in the 70s and early 80s and that she keeps in touch with - their experience is identical.

Meanwhile in my wife's new job in a charity she has a colleague who works part-time in the charity and part-time in the NHS. Her husband tells her that he knows when she has been doing an NHS day by the way she is when she gets home.
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My wife used to work in the private sector and used to bang on everyday how crap her day was. My response - darling you have 3 choices. 1 live with it. 2 Discuss with people who ho can do something about it ie your managers 3 Quit.

I believe the same options apply to those in the public sector
 
chrisd said:
We're doing ok as a country and I reckon steady improvement is the answer. Corbyn imo will not do anything but bankrupt the country as Labour nearly did last time
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Ask the food bank queues, working poor, overworked NHS staff, zero hour staff [who want a steady job] etc if they are doing OK
You might be, but I doubt if that are.
 
patricks148 said:
doing OK, you are Joking aren't you??:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Doon frae Troon said:
Ask the food bank queues, working poor, overworked NHS staff, zero hour staff [who want a steady job] etc if they are doing OK
You might be, but I doubt if that are.
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Ok, doing better than the Mrs Krankie can manage - good luck when you're not propped up by a Tory government!
 
spongebob59 said:
Looking forward to seeing her get the AN treatment tonight, let's see how they expect to fund the independent Scotland once the leave .
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We will be fine, no need for you to worry so much about it.
Just think about Norway, Ireland, Switzerland, New Zealand etc etc they all seem to be doing OK even without as much natural resources as Scotland.
 
chrisd said:
If Corbyn only does half of his manifesto promises he will still bankrupt the country.

Much better to tread a steady path and be in a strong position especially if the EU countries go into recession
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Yup: we need to keep our powder dry with testing international times ahead. In particular the Basel lll regulations are coming (2.6tn Euros exposure) so the Euro Banks will be put under considerable liquidity strain which will hit the poorer/vulnerable members hard and impact the EU's flexibility against debt and the trade 'wars' won't help. Macron and Merkel are already bitching between themselves on where support, if any, can be found if EU recession is to be avoided.

If Labour get in then we'll be cap in hand to anyone who will listen and then jack up the interest rate that will be passed on to anyone with a loan.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I called what Tories say about Labour planning two referendum for 2020 a lie - because it IS a lie.

I call Tory pledge to build 40 hospitals a deceit and not a lie - because they might well have plans to build 40 and indeed might end up building 40 hospitals - but at the moment they only have funds identified for 6. If the studies carried out under the seed funding show some to too expensive or the funding just isn't available at that point then they might not get built.

And I said - Labour claims that Tories are planning to privatise the NHS is a lie - unless someone can show me evidence of Tory plans to do so. the

Tory manifesto pledge to recruit 50,000 nurses. That's a deceit - as they cannot guarantee they will because they have no control over the size of part of the 19,000 they aim to re-employ or keep employed.

Johnson promising that UK will leave the EU on 31st October - that was a deceit. He could not guarantee that, no matter how committed he might have been to doing so. And the same applies to us leaving the EU with a deal agreed at the end of 2020. He can't even guarantee that with an overall majority - it depends upon the EU.

And so on. I have no problem calling out a lie for what it is as I am sick to the teeth of politicians treating us like fools, pretending that something will be when it won't; when it was when it wasn't.

I am exhausted by politics and am frankly struggling to maintain any interest whatsoever in the GE, as I take with a pinch of salt much of what I hear from any politician, and do not believe a SINGLE promise or pledge coming out of the mouth of ABdeP Johnson. I can't say I don't believe a word he says because just very occasionally - as in his response on Waspi compensation - he is honest. Just occasionally.
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I saw a film once called Witchfinder General.

I imagine he would have nothing on you if you became Liefinder General.🙄
No need to guess who would be first on the scaffold🤔😀
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Ask the food bank queues, working poor, overworked NHS staff, zero hour staff [who want a steady job] etc if they are doing OK
You might be, but I doubt if that are.
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There will always be people believing they are doing ok and those that don’t believe they are doing ok. 13 Dec will tell us wether this country is Ok being led by Boris or Corbyn
 
pauldj42 said:
Now for the serious reply.;)

Everything you’ve said makes sense and, and, I tend to agree with you.

My issue is that none of the other parties have managed to sell me their vision.

If the tories get in I genuinely don’t see much changing from the last 9 years and I’ve not once seen or heard boris or his party take any responsibility for the mess they’ve created.
And before we get anyone asking what mess, I’ll just say Police and NHS (and potholes :rolleyes:) If it hasn’t been bad why is boris putting so much emphasis on them.
I’m lucky in that my local Labour MP has been good for the area, veterans and myself, plus he voted against the whip for boris’s deal.

What I can’t help wondering is, would or could I accept Corbyn even if he only managed half of what’s in the Manifesto!

It may sound a bit dramatic, but I’m not sure we’ll see much positivity at all in the next 5 years regardless of who wins.
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Although it has been explained over and over to you regarding why austerity was necessary you talk about Boris and his party taking responsibility for the mess they created. I put it to you that we have all suffered over the last ten years due to the dire state Labour left the economy, we had to suffer austerity to remove the need for the country to rely on huge borrowing to let people have a standard of living they hadnt earned. I put it that whatever the Conservatives do you and a number of others on this site will never be happy with it, you cannot give credit for anything what so ever. Ill tell you something, I have been a Labour voter a number of times, I voted for Blair's government and even supported him when he was being castigated by just about everybody, my support ran out when Brown took over and started his spending frenzy and massively increasing the benefit system such that many people could make a life decision to either work or live off the state. Corbyn would leave Brown in the dust when it came to wasting money on crackpot schemes that would almost be impossible for the country to recover from. I wish Labour did have a credible alternative government in waiting but thats not happening anytime soon.

Hopefully enough people with knowledge of how extreme socialism never works and people who are sick to the pits of their stomaches over the way politicians of all parties have denied the outcome they were promised on Brexit will turn out and stop Corbyn in his tracks.
 
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