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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
What vitriol? The guy was blatantly lying on TV...in an election debate - and that is just OK? The Tories will win the election because of Johnson and because of Corbyn. These individuals matter massively - and therefore so does what they say. What did you hear throughout the debate - Johnson attacking Corbyn for his past and his policies is what you heard - and that is personalisation is it not!
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He's a lying toe rag but so is Swinson, Corbyn and every other current political leader yet you again show no balance in your accusation, why is that, perhaps hatred or perhaps he's trying to achieve something you dont like.

Perhaps you need to look at the parties rather than the people.
 
drdel said:
All this vitriol and personification ignores the fact that there are 600+mps, a Cabinet and a large number of Goverment departments who actually do most of the work.
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It's a fair point but doesn't BJ have form for railroading his way through stuff ... evidence seen in the last few months and as London Mayor.
I don't know about JC or JS ..
 
Old Skier said:
He's a lying toe rag but so is Swinson, Corbyn and every other current political leader yet you again show no balance in your accusation, why is that, perhaps hatred or perhaps he's trying to achieve something you dont like.

Perhaps you need to look at the parties rather than the people.
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I would also question the level of lying we have seen from JC and JS. Is it on par with BJ ?
I don't think we have enough evidence to suggest it is.
Shall we say BJ has lied on more topics than the other 2, if that makes the observation more palatable? ;) (have i used the correct emoji Hobbit?)
 
Old Skier said:
He's a lying toe rag but so is Swinson, Corbyn and every other current political leader yet you again show no balance in your accusation, why is that, perhaps hatred or perhaps he's trying to achieve something you dont like.

Perhaps you need to look at the parties rather than the people.
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You just can't do that when it is the personalities that matter - and when the Tories make Corbyn and Swinson the main issues with the Labour and LibDem parties.

And you can't do it when this is the Brexit Election and Johnson is #1 Leaver. He is the flag-bearer for Brexit amongst the majority of Leave Voters - so he matters absolutely - and so does what he says - and therefore so do his blatant lies.

Yes the others tell 'em. But neither Corbyn nor Swinson have been telling them as big or for as long as Johnson. He has a very long history going back decades.

I don't trust Corbyn 1"
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You just can't do that when it is the personalities that matter - and when the Tories make Corbyn and Swinson the main issues with the Labour and LibDem parties.

And you can't do it when this is the Brexit Election and Johnson is #1 Leaver. He is the flag-bearer for Brexit amongst the majority of Leave Voters - so he matters absolutely - and so does what he says - and therefore so do his blatant lies.

Yes the others tell 'em. But neither Corbyn nor Swinson have been telling them as big or for as long as Johnson. He has a very long history going back decades.

I don't trust Corbyn 1"
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What are these blatant lies?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You just can't do that when it is the personalities that matter - and when the Tories make Corbyn and Swinson the main issues with the Labour and LibDem parties.

And you can't do it when this is the Brexit Election and Johnson is #1 Leaver. He is the flag-bearer for Brexit amongst the majority of Leave Voters - so he matters absolutely - and so does what he says - and therefore so do his blatant lies.

Yes the others tell 'em. But neither Corbyn nor Swinson have been telling them as big or for as long as Johnson. He has a very long history going back decades.

I don't trust Corbyn 1"
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Interesting, your happy with a little porky when your future might be in their hands. I feel it only fair to remind you that both Swinson and Corbyn have been #1 leavers. Now Corbyn won't tell you what he is and Swinson thinks there might be some votes in being a #1 remainer mind you, I remember when she said there would be no university fees.
 
Old Skier said:
Interesting, your happy with a little porky when your future might be in their hands. I feel it only fair to remind you that both Swinson and Corbyn have been #1 leavers. Now Corbyn won't tell you what he is and Swinson thinks there might be some votes in being a #1 remainer mind you, I remember when she said there would be no university fees.
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is that the same Jo Swindle of the Fib Dems whose husbands' firm gets €€€€€€ from the EU
 
SocketRocket said:
What are these blatant lies?
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Let's start with a nice easy one... The promise he made to his new constituents on the night of his election... That he would lie down in front of those bulldozers to stop the construction of the third runway... No one was truly expecting him to physically carry out his promise... But being present, in the house, on the day of the debate would have been a good start...
 
MegaSteve said:
Let's start with a nice easy one... The promise he made to his new constituents on the night of his election... That he would lie down in front of those bulldozers to stop the construction of the third runway... No one was truly expecting him to physically carry out his promise... But being present, in the house, on the day of the debate would have been a good start...
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I asked SILH to justify his accusation.

Regarding your post. I agree his comment was an exaggeration, If we judge him a blatant liar based on that then the finger needs pointing at rather a lot of others in parliament.
 
SocketRocket said:
I asked SILH to justify his accusation.

Regarding your post. I agree his comment was an exaggeration, If we judge him a blatant liar based on that then the finger needs pointing at rather a lot of others in parliament.
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You've got one.

How about we will be leaving on 31st October 'I'd be dead in a ditch' - no ifs not buts. He knew that he couldn't guarantee that - but he still insisted on saying it when Hunt and such as Stewart were saying to his face that he couldn't guarantee it, and whenever he was subsequently pressed on it.

Or what about his current 'parliament has blocked me getting a deal done'. Not true. Parliament passed the first reading of his agreed Withdrawal Agreement. Johnson then decided to pull it and call a General Election. We know why he did it - but parliament did not block it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50145265

But in case you don't believe that one here's Full Fact on another - the monthly payment to the EU

https://fullfact.org/europe/one-billion-a-month/

And the text from Full Fact on another - the border question

Does the new withdrawal agreement create a border in the Irish Sea?
It has been argued that the new withdrawal agreement will create a “border down the Irish Sea” with checks taking place on goods crossing into Northern Ireland from Great Britain.

It’s correct that goods checks will have to take place. This will kick in at the end of the transition period, unless or until the UK and EU sign a trade agreement superseding it. The transition period would last until December 2020 at the earliest, or at the latest December 2022.

And what about the standard line to the UK public - I will Get Brexit Done in 2020 and Labour will have two referendum

To the non-Scottish electorate is this a Lie; a Deceit, or a misinformation? I dunno - you choose. And in any case I don't actually believe that Labour have committed to a 2020 Scottish independence referendum

But just in case you don't consider any of these as Big Ls - here's the Independent newspaper historical take on Mr Johnson.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...te-list-times-banana-brexit-bus-a8929076.html
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You just can't do that when it is the personalities that matter - and when the Tories make Corbyn and Swinson the main issues with the Labour and LibDem parties.

And you can't do it when this is the Brexit Election and Johnson is #1 Leaver. He is the flag-bearer for Brexit amongst the majority of Leave Voters - so he matters absolutely - and so does what he says - and therefore so do his blatant lies.

Yes the others tell 'em. But neither Corbyn nor Swinson have been telling them as big or for as long as Johnson. He has a very long history going back decades.

I don't trust Corbyn 1"
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"I've never met the IRA." - photographic evidence.
"I didn't lay a wreath at the grave of 4 terrorists that killed Israeli athletes." Photographic evidence - and some great footage on a piece by the Beeb.
"The Labour Party has investigated every single case of antisemitism." (from last night's debate) - A Labour councillor has today said there are over 100 cases still to be investigated.
"The Tories will sell off the NHS and do deals with big Pharma in the USA." Well, where's the proof of the first bit? But he is right on the second bit. The Tories have very recently signed a deal that sees the cost of cystic fibrosis meds come down massively.

They're both big liars, and arguing the size of the lie is just silly. The idea is to have a PM that you can trust... neither of them pass that benchmark.
 
Explains a lot

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-20...nabis-will-reduce-crime-and-increase-revenue/


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Hobbit said:
"I've never met the IRA." - photographic evidence.
"I didn't lay a wreath at the grave of 4 terrorists that killed Israeli athletes." Photographic evidence - and some great footage on a piece by the Beeb.
"The Labour Party has investigated every single case of antisemitism." (from last night's debate) - A Labour councillor has today said there are over 100 cases still to be investigated.
"The Tories will sell off the NHS and do deals with big Pharma in the USA." Well, where's the proof of the first bit? But he is right on the second bit. The Tories have very recently signed a deal that sees the cost of cystic fibrosis meds come down massively.

They're both big liars, and arguing the size of the lie is just silly. The idea is to have a PM that you can trust... neither of them pass that benchmark.
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I don't trust Corbyn. And in any case he is not going to be our Prime Minister. And neither is Swinson.

And I do not try and defend liars.
 
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