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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Colonel Bogey said:
did anyone watch the interviews at 10? No matter what you think of him Nigel was THE standout leader of the night. Can you believe him? Hell yes. When asked what does he do personally about carbon? His response? "well I fly and drive a car so I can't really answer that"

How honest can you be?
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I am not a fan, but I caught a bit of it.
His delivery is superb, his tactics are sensible in that he comes a across as honest, straight talking and has an empathy for the workers.

The others should take note, it’s not going to be about what they say but how they say it .. talking about people’s perceived issues and showing compassion and offering up solutions will win more friends etc .. slag each other off and attacking others policy isn’t.

I think JC is ahead of BJ on this but JW needs to watch and learn as well .. there was a lesson there.
 
chrisd said:
It definitely needed someone who had a brain! Getting them to shake hands and promise to be nice to each other and asking about the Royal family - absolute nonsense
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I don’t want to see them tearing each other apart. But I want to see them made to answer the question and justify their position.. by a 3rd party who is neutral. You could have it as 2 separate shows but each has the same question and the answers are then dissected and drive more questions to reveal the flaws.
 
Is Johnson dim or thick skinned.
The 20,000 police officers and 40 new hospitals quotes have been proved to be absolute total piffle yet there he was last night repeating them.
No wonder the audience laughed at him with his 'trust'comment.

The police numbers are actually 1,000 down on 2010, so -1000.
The hospital is actually no new hospitals, 6 to be re-furbished and no funding in place for the other 34,
 
harpo_72 said:
I don’t want to see them tearing each other apart. But I want to see them made to answer the question and justify their position.. by a 3rd party who is neutral. You could have it as 2 separate shows but each has the same question and the answers are then dissected and drive more questions to reveal the flaws.
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For me the whole thing was rubbish. The answers were always cut short, she seemed to give JC more time than BJ but that could be just me. I absolutely agree that the same questions asked in separate shows would possibly work better. There were loads of more important questions that should have been asked before worrying about the royal family and only allowing about a minute to answer a complex question like on the NHS is a nonsense
 
harpo_72 said:
I don’t want to see them tearing each other apart. But I want to see them made to answer the question and justify their position.. by a 3rd party who is neutral. You could have it as 2 separate shows but each has the same question and the answers are then dissected and drive more questions to reveal the flaws.
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I do like the idea of 2 separate Q&A sessions. A set of simple questions and an interviewer who isn't afraid to keep pulling them back to the questions when the politicians try and deflect.

I'd also like to see the scheduling flexible up to one hour, and for the parties to be told that if any politician strays off the questions 3 times the show will be cut short. Can you imagine the negative publicity that would follow if a party had the plug pulled?
 
I would like to see a show where independent experts go through each main parties manifesto, one major issue at a time, and debate the how's and wherefores of how it would work, be financed and what it could mean. At this stage, I'd cut out the public audience bit as some of them are more of a problem than the MPs themselves. Then later, we can have a reasoned debate between leaders with a viewing public that knows a bit more about what's on offer. I just feel there are numbers, wish-lists and fantasies being throwing around by all parties to gain a leg-up, without any of the important details being available to the masses.
 
I was out and so only caught the last 15-20mins or so and tbh wasn't paying much attention. My 'impression' of what I saw was that Corbyn was more concise and to the point - Johnson was much less so (I don't think anyone would have been surprised at the nature of the delivery of his responses) and so often found he had to keep talking over the presenter trying to get to his point (which always seemed to head off towards Brexit) once his time was up.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Insert Borders railway [Paid for by SG] with HS2 [paid for by UKG] and reverse Scottish and UK and see how that reads.
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It reads pretty much the same to me, but we obviously see things from a very different point of view. I view the UK as a whole and all the people in it the same, regardless of geographic location or anything else. I think successive UK governments have done a piss poor job of investing in infrastructure throughout the UK. I don’t differentiate between lack of investment in Scotland, North East England, Cumbria, Wales or anywhere else.

I can understand why people in Scotland might think independence will cure the problem by getting rid of the UK government. I would personally feel like that would be saying, “I’m all right jack and sod the people in the rest of the UK”. I will point out that my feelings do not dictate right or wrong and I am not making judgement on people who feel differently.

I actually think HS2 is a poor use of public money and should be scrapped. I don’t know anything about the borders railway so can’t have an opinion on whether it should have been financed by the UK. It could possibly fall into one of the many criticisms I have over the general Scottish arguments I hear, which is essentially, passing the buck. You demand devolution and then complain you have to do it yourself. Then we have the corollary of this were people believe you should do it because of devolution, but you can’t. Resulting in the usual propaganda, fake news, and lies, allowing everyone to call each other names in a pointless argument mainly based on ignorance.

Anybody want a drink before the war?
 
chrisd said:
For me the whole thing was rubbish. The answers were always cut short, she seemed to give JC more time than BJ but that could be just me. I absolutely agree that the same questions asked in separate shows would possibly work better. There were loads of more important questions that should have been asked before worrying about the royal family and only allowing about a minute to answer a complex question like on the NHS is a nonsense
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Doon frae Troon said:
Is Johnson dim or thick skinned.
The 20,000 police officers and 40 new hospitals quotes have been proved to be absolute total piffle yet there he was last night repeating them.
No wonder the audience laughed at him with his 'trust'comment.

The police numbers are actually 1,000 down on 2010, so -1000.
The hospital is actually no new hospitals, 6 to be re-furbished and no funding in place for the other 34,
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And can Johnson be trusted?

Well at one point Corbyn said there would be a border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland that would require checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea and Johnson said 'On the contrary' and went on to deny that there would be any checks. And that is quite simply not true. Call it whatever you like - the Big L if you like - but it was simply not true.

Meanwhile Raab witters on this morning justifying the Tories FactsCheck twitter account. When the truth of it, and a truth that we all know - is that it was as much a deceit as I would be were I knocking on doors claiming to be a Tory Party canvasser and answering questions but putting, say, the Labour Party position.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And can Johnson be trusted?

Well at one point Corbyn said there would be a border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland that would require checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea and Johnson said 'On the contrary' and went on to deny that there would be any checks. And that is quite simply not true. Call it whatever you like - the Big L if you like - but it was simply not true.

Meanwhile Raab witters on this morning justifying the Tories FactsCheck twitter account. When the truth of it, and a truth that we all know - is that it was as much a deceit as I would be were I knocking on doors claiming to be a Tory Party canvasser and answering questions but putting, say, the Labour Party position.
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All this vitriol and personification ignores the fact that there are 600+mps, a Cabinet and a large number of Goverment departments who actually do most of the work.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And can Johnson be trusted?

Well at one point Corbyn said there would be a border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland that would require checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea and Johnson said 'On the contrary' and went on to deny that there would be any checks. And that is quite simply not true. Call it whatever you like - the Big L if you like - but it was simply not true.

Meanwhile Raab witters on this morning justifying the Tories FactsCheck twitter account. When the truth of it, and a truth that we all know - is that it was as much a deceit as I would be were I knocking on doors claiming to be a Tory Party canvasser and answering questions but putting, say, the Labour Party position.
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Aye, it's a bit much when the old government attempts to scam the public in a desperate attempt to get in again.
What on earth were they thinking, probaby another Cumming plan, did they really think they would get away with it.:unsure:
Re canvassing........the Tory and Labour MSP's are clueless at what is devolved or not to Scotland. Nicola has fun reminding them every week at FMQ
God knows what their canvassers will be like.
Lady Doon is desperate for a Tory to ring our bell.
I shall invite him/her in and put the kettle on.:love:
 
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drdel said:
All this vitriol and personification ignores the fact that there are 600+mps, a Cabinet and a large number of Goverment departments who actually do most of the work.
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What vitriol? The guy was blatantly lying on TV...in an election debate - and that is just OK? The Tories will win the election because of Johnson and because of Corbyn. These individuals matter massively - and therefore so does what they say. What did you hear throughout the debate - Johnson attacking Corbyn for his past and his policies is what you heard - and that is personalisation is it not!
 
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