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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Don Barzini said:
I really wish there was an option for "NONE OF THE ABOVE" on this GE ballot paper. Never have I been more disillusioned with our political representatives than I am at the moment.
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I have less than a week to decide, postal vote, and I have a huge vested interest in Remain but I'm leaning towards not voting. I want Remain with a big R but the election is about way more than one topic and I don't believe any party can deliver anything like on enough of those issues.
 
HOW TO CHOOSE A GREAT LEADER
(by Suzy Kassem)
Choose a leader who will invest in......
Building bridges, not walls.
Books, not weapons.
Mortality, not corruption .
Intellectualism and wisdom, not ignorance
Stability, not fear or terror.
Peace, not chaos.
Love, not hate.
Convergence, not segregation.
Tolerance, not discrimination.
Fairness, not hypocrisy.
Substance, not superficiality.
Character, not immaturity.
Transparency, not secrecy.
Justice, not lawlessness.
Environmental improvement and preservation,
not destruction
Truth, not lies.

The question is.... are the UK public capable of ignoring the media bias when they make their judgement or is it just so engrained in our culture?
 
Hobbit said:
I have less than a week to decide, postal vote, and I have a huge vested interest in Remain but I'm leaning towards not voting. I want Remain with a big R but the election is about way more than one topic and I don't believe any party can deliver anything like on enough of those issues.
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So that simplifies things Bri........ just which R do you go for?? :cool::cool:
 
Hobbit said:
She's not even an MP. However, I do feel Ian Blackford and Jo Swinson hould be there. There's a chance of a hung parliament, and it would be good to hear their take on things.
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Jo Swinson should be there because she is the leader of a party with candidates representing the whole of the UK. The only point of a leadership debate is so the people can here the ideas and polices of the leaders of parties who could, if they convince people to vote for them, form a government.

Ian Blackford could convince everyone that their policies are the best and all the other parties policies are terrible but the vast majority of the people can’t vote for them anyway. It doesn’t matter how brilliant they are, they don’t have enough candidates to form a government so their ideas of how to run the country are irrelevant.

If you think the debate should include people who don’t represent a large enough demographic to form a government then all independents should be there.
 
2blue said:
HOW TO CHOOSE A GREAT LEADER
(by Suzy Kassem)
Choose a leader who will invest in......
Building bridges, not walls.
Books, not weapons.
Mortality, not corruption .
Intellectualism and wisdom, not ignorance
Stability, not fear or terror.
Peace, not chaos.
Love, not hate.
Convergence, not segregation.
Tolerance, not discrimination.
Fairness, not hypocrisy.
Substance, not superficiality.
Character, not immaturity.
Transparency, not secrecy.
Justice, not lawlessness.
Environmental improvement and preservation,
not destruction
Truth, not lies.

The question is.... are the UK public capable of ignoring the media bias when they make their judgement or is it just so engrained in our culture?
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I would suggest that it is not about the UK public but more about the political parties and leaders.

Do any of them fit those criteria?

Certainly not in my eyes but others may see it differently.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Sorry but Nicola Sturgeon certainly is the leader of a UK national party, the fact that they choose not to stand candidates outwith Scotland is simply their choice..
Mind you I can easily understand why Johnson and Corbyn are too scared to debate with her :love:
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No, the fact that they choose not stand candidates outside Scotland means she is certainly not the leader of UK national party. Being called the Scottish National Party is a big clue that they represent the nation of Scotland not the UK. Not fielding candidates anywhere other than Scotland proves that they are only representing the Nation of Scotland and are therefore not a UK national party.

Why are you suggesting they are a UK national party when their whole ideology and purpose of existing is not to be.
 
Pro Zach said:
No, the fact that they choose not stand candidates outside Scotland means she is certainly not the leader of UK national party. Being called the Scottish National Party is a big clue that they represent the nation of Scotland not the UK. Not fielding candidates anywhere other than Scotland proves that they are only representing the Nation of Scotland and are therefore not a UK national party.

Why are you suggesting they are a UK national party when their whole ideology and purpose of existing is not to be.
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Well reasoned.
 
2blue said:
So that simplifies things Bri........ just which R do you go for?? :cool::cool:
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There is only one R in Remain... but I would like a Remain that sees the UK take centre stage in the EU. I want the UK to be one of the drivers, not just one of the supplicant rule takers. I still believe the concept is good but I do feel it needs change. If it didn't, why all the fuss across many of the members?
 
Hobbit said:
There is only one R in Remain... but I would like a Remain that sees the UK take centre stage in the EU. I want the UK to be one of the drivers, not just one of the supplicant rule takers. I still believe the concept is good but I do feel it needs change. If it didn't, why all the fuss across many of the members?
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Exactly mirrored my feelings towards the EU and reasons for voting and supporting Remain.

But sadly it wasn't to be and, as I said elsewhere, my respect for the democratic process means I want the politicians to deliver the outcome for which the majority voted.
 
Hobbit said:
There is only one R in Remain... but I would like a Remain that sees the UK take centre stage in the EU. I want the UK to be one of the drivers, not just one of the supplicant rule takers. I still believe the concept is good but I do feel it needs change. If it didn't, why all the fuss across many of the members?
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I agree with that but sadly unless you are a federalist in the current EU then you will not be able to influence much as many poorer Nations gain so much from it.
 
MetalMickie said:
Exactly mirrored my feelings towards the EU and reasons for voting and supporting Remain.

But sadly it wasn't to be and, as I said elsewhere, my respect for the democratic process means I want the politicians to deliver the outcome for which the majority voted.
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So what's your crystal ball saying...... No Deal... Bojo's deal?? or any-old answer??
 
chrisd said:
You well know that Boris meant what he said about the 31st, he was thwarted by the underhand dealings of shister remoaners, so failing to deliver his "promise" was ultimately not in his power and not his fault, although I dont remember the word "promise" being used by him

Time for compromise hasn't come, leave did win and th
ere is simply no excuse not to enact the will of the 17.4m. I'm happy with a no deal Brexit if the EU wont give us a really good deal, it shouldn't take long to sort a 'free trade deal' but if Barnier wants to sod us about no deal is fine.
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It's because him and his mates kept voting against brexit..
You seem to easily forget the actual facts
 
Pro Zach said:
Jo Swinson should be there because she is the leader of a party with candidates representing the whole of the UK. The only point of a leadership debate is so the people can here the ideas and polices of the leaders of parties who could, if they convince people to vote for them, form a government.

Ian Blackford could convince everyone that their policies are the best and all the other parties policies are terrible but the vast majority of the people can’t vote for them anyway. It doesn’t matter how brilliant they are, they don’t have enough candidates to form a government so their ideas of how to run the country are irrelevant.

If you think the debate should include people who don’t represent a large enough demographic to form a government then all independents should be there.
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Lib dems only have 19 MP of whch half a defectors from other parties, i've got more chance of forming a Government TBH, SNP have double the MP's but i suppose as Nicola isn't an MP so maybe she shouldn't , but is the head of the Gov of Scotland, we should get a say
 
patricks148 said:
Lib dems only have 19 MP of whch half a defectors from other parties, i've got more chance of forming a Government TBH, SNP have double the MP's but i suppose as Nicola isn't an MP so maybe she shouldn't , but is the head of the Gov of Scotland, we should get a say
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Jo Swinson might be asked to be part of a coalition govt. And Ian Blackford is the SNP leader in the House of Commons. I feel it should be him in on the debate.
 
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2blue said:
So what's your crystal ball saying...... No Deal... Bojo's deal?? or any-old answer??
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Good question that has arisen as a result of the prolonging of the exit process.

Back in 2016 there was no discussion of any deal and my understanding, as a Remainer, was that we would leave asap and negotiate an ongoing relationship having left.

Obviously there would have to have been a short term interim arrangement but sadly none of those involved appeared either willing or able to deliver this outcome.

Therefore, in answer to your question I would say that No Deal is the nearest to fulfilling the desired outcome.

Certainly do not think that any further delay would be a good idea since the country has stood still (at best) for three years now and many other issues gone unaddressed.
 
Well the Momentum crowd have decide to mobilise their supporters to target specific Tory seats.

Since the creators, (Jon Lansman,, Adam Klug, Emma Rees and James Schneider; none of which are MPs), are deciding the Labour Party approach; Labour should re-brand to the "Momentum Party"
 
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