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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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harpo_72 said:
Read your history ... none of them thought they were extreme.
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But they were, wernt they? Most of us had family members who paid the ultimate price for freedom in the World wars but how can that be any comparison to the country changing a trading arrangement. Lets keep things in context please.
 
harpo_72 said:
Do you need it explained to you ? 🙄 or do you want to just make a dig of no value ?
Go and look how they control the internet
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Don't be a prat Chris. I know full well what you meant, and if you look again you'll see a smilie in my post. Quite frankly your comment was puerile, as was my answer. Lighten up man.
 
SocketRocket said:
But they were, wernt they? Most of us had family members who paid the ultimate price for freedom in the World wars but how can that be any comparison to the country changing a trading arrangement. Lets keep things in balance.
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Yes we all have links. But there is an underlying current of racism.
If you don’t want to acknowledge it, no problem I am not arguing with any one over this. You have your view I have mine.
 
MetalMickie said:
You can't help yourself can you?

Suggesting I read my history. How arrogant do you think that sounds?
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And that's just the problem Mickie - he just can't help himself. I've lived through the history since the '50's and despite my upbringing have long since come to the conclusion that the Torys were the only party that can run the economy, look after jobs etc
 
harpo_72 said:
Yes we all have links. But there is an underlying current of racism.
If you don’t want to acknowledge it, no problem I am not arguing with any one over this. You have your view I have mine.
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I am not interested in arguing, I am debating the subject and find your parallels with people losing lives for their countries difficult to understand, I find your further accusation of racism more confusing. I apreciate you have your view but surely if you state it you will clarify it.
 
SocketRocket said:
I am not interested in arguing, I am debating the subject and find your parallels with people losing lives for their countries difficult to understand, I find your further accusation of racism more confusing. I apreciate you have your view but surely if you state it you will clarify it.
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Don’t even try to reason with him, he’s one of a few on here that equate wanting to tighten up unrestricted immigration with a regime that exterminated 6 million people. Absolute barm pot. Goes for the racist card faster than Lammy.
 
Fade and Die said:
Nobody even slightly terrified of the idea of a socialist state run internet?

Also when will people realise that there is no such thing as “free” ... the term “free” means taxing the working man/woman even more, and I know nutcase McDonnell thinks fb and Amazon will pay for everything (They seem to be Labour’s magic money tree because that idiot on question time reckons they will pay for the nhs too!) but the reality of Comrade Corbyn’s socialist utopia would be hell on earth for the real working class.
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Good what a lot of rubbish

Taxes are to pay for things

The Tories slash taxes and underfund things

Last year the Tories slashed the tax bracket again making me £50pm. Better off.. why? I didn't ask for it.. do we not need that money as a country??? I thought we were broke

Stop the tax give aways to try and win favours and fund things ffs
 
pauljames87 said:
Good what a lot of rubbish

Taxes are to pay for things

The Tories slash taxes and underfund things

Last year the Tories slashed the tax bracket again making me £50pm. Better off.. why? I didn't ask for it.. do we not need that money as a country??? I thought we were broke

Stop the tax give aways to try and win favours and fund things ffs
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I prefer to keep more of my money and spend it where I prefer rather than the state deciding that for me. If I want to spend it on internet supply then I'm capable of doing that myself.
 
pauljames87 said:
Good what a lot of rubbish

Taxes are to pay for things

The Tories slash taxes and underfund things

Last year the Tories slashed the tax bracket again making me £50pm. Better off.. why? I didn't ask for it.. do we not need that money as a country??? I thought we were broke

Stop the tax give aways to try and win favours and fund things ffs
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Economics Paul, you have extra £50, you will spend it, so will whoever you spend it with. Companies, shops etc will take more income and make more profit and ultimately pay more tax. The Tory philosophy is that by reducing the tax rate at the higher level, the more they make in revenue, as higher earners are more willing to pay the tax and not look so much for tax avoidance schemes. Its a fine balance.
 
pauljames87 said:
It's a fairer society for all not a better society for you
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Rhetorically, what is a fairer society? No more food banks? No more homelessness? Rent caps? Cap on profits? Better benefits for the disadvantaged?

I'm all for higher taxes, sort of. I'm all for the offshore companies paying the same taxes as the onshore companies. I'm in favour of online shops paying a premium - they're killing the High Street, turning town centres into dilapidated ghost towns.

But for the "higher taxes, sort of," I disagree with different tax rates for individuals. That isn't fair. Fairness is equality. Currently and roughly, someone earning £30k pays 20% of around £18k + 10% NI = £6.5k (roughly). Someone earning £100k pays 20% between £12k and £45k, and 40% up to the £100k + NI = £38k (roughly). If the high earner was on 20% across the board they'd still pay £27k. That's over £20k more than the person on £30k.

For me, raise the tax free allowance but also set a standard rate of tax right across the board. If you've earned it, it should be yours to spend as you see fit apart from a standard rate of taxation.

chrisd said:
Economics Paul, you have extra £50, you will spend it, so will whoever you spend it with. Companies, shops etc will take more income and make more profit and ultimately pay more tax. The Tory philosophy is that by reducing the tax rate at the higher level, the more they make in revenue, as higher earners are more willing to pay the tax and not look so much for tax avoidance schemes. Its a fine balance.
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Trickle down economics has been proven to be clumsy and doesn't work on the mega rich. The percentage of money spent by someone on £50k is far higher than the percentage spent by someone on £1,000,000. The mega rich also look for tax breaks on investments that those on £50k can't afford. There's only so much money a rich person can spend, the rest being 'parked,' which doesn't benefit the trickle down effect.
 
Hobbit said:
Trickle down economics has been proven to be clumsy and doesn't work on the mega rich. The percentage of money spent by someone on £50k is far higher than the percentage spent by someone on £1,000,000. The mega rich also look for tax breaks on investments that those on £50k can't afford. There's only so much money a rich person can spend, the rest being 'parked,' which doesn't benefit the trickle down effect.
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I was trying to offer a suggestion as to why governments tend to offer tax breaks. I realise that the mega rich dont spend so much as a proportion of their assets but that their mentality towards the tax take is generally more relaxed at lower tax levels. You and I both will remember the mass exodus of high earners when tax rates were increased towards the 90% rate
 
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