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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Criticise Labour and LibDem spending plans as we might well do and be justified in doing so - but as the Javid has told us that economic forecasting of the impact of Johnson's deal is not required as the benefits are self-evident - how can we believe anything that the Conservative party say that they can afford if in government. Then again I suppose Javid's logic fits well with the Leave Leaders criticism of Treasury Forecasts as always being inaccurate - and so in the main to be ignored. I guess we look to Super Canada Plus - how will that work for the economy? Who knows. We don't even know what it is... Such is the tangled web that has been woven.

I ask my son what it's like living in Sheffield on a rather less than wealthy housing estate (between Shirecliffe and Parson's Cross - so folk who know Sheffield will know the area) and on less than the minimum wage (he is self-employed) - and he'll tell you that it is very tough - has been for many years - and that people are finding things very, very difficult. These communities need a significant step change to happen as the economic model of the last few decades just has not worked, and is not working for them.
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'the Javid' hope that was a typo.
Is your son still playing in a band? If so he is in charge of his earnings, not the government.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Criticise Labour and LibDem spending plans as we might well do and be justified in doing so - but as the Javid has told us that economic forecasting of the impact of Johnson's deal is not required as the benefits are self-evident - how can we believe anything that the Conservative party say that they can afford if in government. Then again I suppose Javid's logic fits well with the Leave Leaders criticism of Treasury Forecasts as always being inaccurate - and so in the main to be ignored. I guess we look to Super Canada Plus - how will that work for the economy? Who knows. We don't even know what it is... Such is the tangled web that has been woven.

I ask my son what it's like living in Sheffield on a rather less than wealthy housing estate (between Shirecliffe and Parson's Cross - so folk who know Sheffield will know the area) and on less than the minimum wage (he is self-employed) - and he'll tell you that it is very tough - has been for many years - and that people are finding things very, very difficult. These communities need a significant step change to happen as the economic model of the last few decades just has not worked, and is not working for them.
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Its not for Javid to tell us they don't need to publish their costings. The electorate determines whether or not we agree with their spending plans. If they don't tell us I know where my vote would go, and it wouldn't be a blind faith vote.
 
Hobbit said:
Sorry Paul but that is pure fantasy, or at least I hope it is. And it is a real danger to the economy. As soon as you get governments interfering to that level is businesses you will see foreign investment shrink. You will see share prices tumble, which will also affect many people's pensions. Having governments setting salary levels is wholly wrong. Yes, lets cap bonuses, especially the untaxed share bonuses that a number receive.

What happens when a business looks to expand, take on more employees, broaden its portfolio but the government of the day says you must increase salaries based on gross profits? Or says a business must increase pay by the rate of inflation but the business is virtually on its backside? As an employee would you accept half the inflation rate and still have a job or the full rise and be out of a job in 6 months?

Blaming governments for who is rich and who isn't is naive. Bosses decide pay levels, especially their own.
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I’m not blaming Governments for who is rich and who isn’t, I’m saying they have a role to play in greed.
Closing Tax loopholes etc, the fact is poverty is on the increase and all of society have a role to play and a Government should be leading the way.
 
pauldj42 said:
I’m not blaming Governments for who is rich and who isn’t, I’m saying they have a role to play in greed.
Closing Tax loopholes etc, the fact is poverty is on the increase and all of society have a role to play and a Government should be leading the way.
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Its one we'll have to disagree on Paul. I detest the idea of a nanny state, becoming more and more involved in so many aspects of life. Its a no to the thin end of the (communist) wedge for me.

Educate people, and highlight greed yes, but legislate, no.
 
Old Skier said:
It appears Jo Swinson was telling porkies, her candidate in Canterbury is standing aside to give the Labour standing candidate a free run.
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Not that I agree with any party doing these deals, but why isn’t she advocating standing down candidates in Labour held remain areas to defeat Brexit.
In the last tory/lib government she was one of the worst for supporting the tories.
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Old Skier said:
It appears Jo Swinson was telling porkies, her candidate in Canterbury is standing aside to give the Labour standing candidate a free run.
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BBC are reporting it as the personal choice of the Lib Dem candidate to allow Labour a free run but that the Lib Dems are looking for someone else to run for that seat.
 
SocketRocket said:
'the Javid' hope that was a typo.
Is your son still playing in a band? If so he is in charge of his earnings, not the government.
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He doesn't - but he is still working in the 'gig' economy - and in that he works essentially as a zero hours worker being dependent upon others for work. If others do not have work for him then he does not have any work.

For him (and us) that is a complete nightmare since he earns at rate that equivalences (over a 60hr week) to, in a good week, the minimum wage. His earnings are only just enough to cover his very meagre and austere life-style and they don't cover it when work is thin; plus he struggles every month, every single month, to have enough to pay his rent. And he is not alone in this in the part of Sheffield where he lives - where living an austere life is pretty much the way-of-life for many if not most.

And so we should not be surprised that some South Yorkshire residents suffering very serious flood damage to their house are a bit angry when Johnson wanders up and makes a very generous offer of £500 to help sort their problems. Can't imagine he really understands the financial affairs of these folks. Thanks Boris.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He doesn't - but he is still working in the 'gig' economy - and in that he works essentially as a zero hours worker being dependent upon others for work. If others do not have work for him then he does not have any work.

For him (and us) that is a complete nightmare since he earns at rate that equivalences (over a 60hr week) to, in a good week, the minimum wage. His earnings are only just enough to cover his very meagre and austere life-style and they don't cover it when work is thin; plus he struggles every month, every single month, to have enough to pay his rent. And he is not alone in this in the part of Sheffield where he lives - where living an austere life is pretty much the way-of-life for many if not most.

And so we should not be surprised that some South Yorkshire residents suffering very serious flood damage to their house are a bit angry when Johnson wanders up and makes a very generous offer of £500 to help sort their problems. Can't imagine he really understands the financial affairs of these folks. Thanks Boris.
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Is it not possible for him to start some form of education that would lead to him having a better chance to improve his lot. Seems he is painted into a corner at the moment.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He doesn't - but he is still working in the 'gig' economy - and in that he works essentially as a zero hours worker being dependent upon others for work. If others do not have work for him then he does not have any work.

For him (and us) that is a complete nightmare since he earns at rate that equivalences (over a 60hr week) to, in a good week, the minimum wage. His earnings are only just enough to cover his very meagre and austere life-style and they don't cover it when work is thin; plus he struggles every month, every single month, to have enough to pay his rent. And he is not alone in this in the part of Sheffield where he lives - where living an austere life is pretty much the way-of-life for many if not most.

And so we should not be surprised that some South Yorkshire residents suffering very serious flood damage to their house are a bit angry when Johnson wanders up and makes a very generous offer of £500 to help sort their problems. Can't imagine he really understands the financial affairs of these folks. Thanks Boris.
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Yup. Lady Doon's first comment was ….£500 ...does that 'flipping' idiot not realise that barely covers the cost of two skips.
Lady Doon never used to swear, now she lets rip on anything concerning Johnson and Gove. Ken Clarke is lovely though.

Who remembers Ted Heath offering £5 to the salesperson to buy two M&S sweaters in a 'photo opportunity' before an election.
Cost them a lot of votes that did.
 
Libs standing down on Canterbury.. seems a bit daft as they are more likely to get a vote than labour.. oops the students are in town still
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Quite right to.
There would have been every chance that the unscrupulous pair would have used the opportunity of the two leaders debate to take a free pot shot at the SNP.
No taxation without representation.
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Surely as a commercial station they can make a programme to their spec, if it was the BBC I could see the point.
 
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