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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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pauldj42 said:
If I’m correct in what you’re looking for.
I have no issue with someone else’s beliefs, what I don’t agree with is them making statements they can’t back up or not even attempting to see both sides of the debate.
None of us are perfect, but I see myself as a bit more open minded than some who post on here.
If you tune the rubbish out there are some very educational and informative posts and then there are those who will instantly dismiss said posts with a flippant remark rather than join in.

See post #757 as an example.
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Interesting that post 757 asks and comments on people’s bad behaviours but commends one of the key protagonists of the bad blood.

It does feel that if your not far right, you are not entitled to voice an opinion and if you do, every one of them rounds on you with some vitriol and emoji abuse.

Oh and it’s absolutely acceptable to make some offensive post and then team right all rally round saying it was a harmless joke.
 
harpo_72 said:
Interesting that post 757 asks and comments on people’s bad behaviours but commends one of the key protagonists of the bad blood.

It does feel that if your not far right, you are not entitled to voice an opinion and if you do, every one of them rounds on you with some vitriol and emoji abuse.

Oh and it’s absolutely acceptable to make some offensive post and then team right all rally round saying it was a harmless joke.
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Your posting style tends to often be in the form you denounce but with fàr right replaced by fàr left. If you dont like it then try setting a standard in conciliation, others of us may decide to follow your lead.
 
chrisd said:
Hilarious!!!!

Love it when you get so angry that we might end up with what we voted for that, like a 5 year old, you start name calling 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Good you spotted it and found it funny as play on his name given the confusing mixture of messages coming from Farage and his followers - and the contortions some are going through in denial of any change of mind or reversal for him. And you’ll have spotted that I said in the post that I’d just leave it at that.

What next from him given he has now firmly reset his stall yet for some right wing papers this new stall is still not good enough.

From my perspective zero representation for TBP in Westminster will be an excellent GE outcome (silver lining to what is almost inevitably going to be a dark cloud for me) so looking forward to more rethinking from Farage on what he should do to put the people first.

EDIT: Farage said The prime minister has also said he will negotiate a “super Canada-plus” trade deal with no political alignment, which is closer to what leave voters want.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-not-contest-317-tory-seats-nigel-farage-says
 
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Swinglowandslow said:
Bloody well said. Personally I am pig sick of all this being offended at unintended slips or attempted jokes or quick replies not coming out exactly as intended, and then, if you are politically against that person , in you lunge, kicking and clawing at them ,self righteous in the opportunity you have been given to be offended.
Tribalism at its worst.
This country used to be known for its sense of fair play etc.
That's all gone.
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pauldj42 said:
If I’m correct in what you’re looking for.
I have no issue with someone else’s beliefs, what I don’t agree with is them making statements they can’t back up or not even attempting to see both sides of the debate.
None of us are perfect, but I see myself as a bit more open minded than some who post on here.
If you tune the rubbish out there are some very educational and informative posts and then there are those who will instantly dismiss said posts with a flippant remark rather than join in.

See post #757 as an example.
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Ref your comment, "see post #757, are you saying you agree with it or disagree with it? I think I get what you're saying, but only think I get. And this is where arguments can start. Someone might come back at you misunderstanding where you're coming from.

That aside, I did raise a wry smile at Swinglow's self-righteous way he criticises people's self-righteousness. I don't disagree with him, just thought it a little ironic.
 
pauldj42 said:
There could be a genuine reason, hence why I believe people on the night should of waited.
Any point scoring or condemning should of waited for a few days imo.
Officially if he couldn’t attend a replacement should of been made known.
Thornberry was there, but I don’t know in what capacity.
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I thought the argument over Corbyn was about him not attending the cenotaph commemoration - and I would have expected him to be there - but that it was about the festival of remembrance on the Saturday evening!!?

In all my many years of watching that ‘festival’ I never thought for one moment about political representation being present or important - or even particularly relevant. It has al ways to me been about the service personnel presenting themselves to their monarch and the country - the service personnel being recognised and of them honouring those colleagues who have gone before over - particularly over the previous century. I have always felt that the honouring by the country was not that remembrance festival - but that it was and is what Remembrance Sunday is all about. So a political leader not being at the Festival of Remembrance - not a big deal as irrelevant for me.

I’m with LP on this.

As for Johnson and the wreath - well I’m not surprised that he doesn’t quite know which way is up - but it doesn’t bother me one jot. It is the act and thoughts of remembrance that matter and I am certain his were in the right place.
 
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harpo_72 said:
Interesting that post 757 asks and comments on people’s bad behaviours but commends one of the key protagonists of the bad blood.

It does feel that if your not far right, you are not entitled to voice an opinion and if you do, every one of them rounds on you with some vitriol and emoji abuse.

Oh and it’s absolutely acceptable to make some offensive post and then team right all rally round saying it was a harmless joke.
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It’s never him mate, he’s had more run ins on the political threads with people than anyone else, he’s even had threads locked but failed to take any responsibility and if you try to debate he throws it back at you with insults.
I had a search this morning and I couldn’t find his last post he posted to create any debate.
 
Hobbit said:
Ref your comment, "see post #757, are you saying you agree with it or disagree with it? I think I get what you're saying, but only think I get. And this is where arguments can start. Someone might come back at you misunderstanding where you're coming from.

That aside, I did raise a wry smile at Swinglow's self-righteous way he criticises people's self-righteousness. I don't disagree with him, just thought it a little ironic.
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Disagreed with it mate, he’ll of completely missed the irony of his post.

As for misunderstanding, I agree, some of us are far better communicators face to face and intent can be lost in the written word.
It’s funny though, the self-righteous don’t think it could ever be them.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I thought the argument over Corbyn was about him not attending the cenotaph commemoration - and I would have expected him to be there - but that it was about the festival of remembrance on the Saturday evening!!?

In all my many years of watching that ‘festival’ I never thought for one moment about political representation being present or important - or even particularly relevant. It has al ways to me been about the service personnel presenting themselves to their monarch and the country - the service personnel being recognised and of them honouring those colleagues who have gone before over - particularly over the previous century. I have always felt that the honouring by the country was not that remembrance festival - but that it was and is what Remembrance Sunday is all about. So a political leader not being at the Festival of Remembrance - not a big deal as irrelevant for me.

I’m with LP on this.

As for Johnson and the wreath - well I’m not surprised that he doesn’t quite know which way is up - but it doesn’t bother me one jot. It is the act and thoughts of remembrance that matter and I am certain his were in the right place.
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Maybe it’s my Military experience compared to others as to how we see things, but I expect certain standards from people in authority on certain occasions, and when it’s not done or shown, I see it as disrespectful, not saying I’m correct, just the way I see it.
 
seen mention this morning on SM about Jo swinson in shooting party killing Red Squirrels, not seen the clip so could be fake news, but if true... these are a protected species, she should be prosecuted
 
robinthehood said:
Pretty sad that every year we get all this bile about who isn't wearing a poppy or disrespected remembrance in some way.
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It’s not bile if it matters to you.
Once again I agree we are all entitled to an opinion, but that’s just it opinions.
The difference comes when people try to use it as oneupmanship.
 
pauldj42 said:
Maybe it’s my Military experience compared to others as to how we see things, but I expect certain standards from people in authority on certain occasions, and when it’s not done or shown, I see it as disrespectful, not saying I’m correct, just the way I see it.
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That's absolutely understandable. I still don't feel it appropriate for newspapers to be making an overtly political point over a politician not being present at the festival of remembrance.

What is relevant to me is that the right people are in attendance on Remembrance Sunday if they can - because for me (and yes I too am coming from a particular position - a religious one) it is in the remembrance day service and 2mins silence that the country's collective thoughts and prayers of thanksgiving and remembrance for all those who have served and are serving today are demonstrated and expressed.

And I stress the collective. That some choose to not attend such services on Remembrance Sunday in no way whatsoever diminishes their personal and individual thoughts and prayers (if used) of thanks and remembrance - in the same way that I may not may wear a poppy to church on Remembrance Sunday or in the preceding days (I did wear one this year). As for Johnson making a mistake with the placing of the wreath - that matters not one jot to me. We none of us - not one - deliberately make such mistakes.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
That's absolutely understandable. I still don't feel it appropriate for newspapers to be making an overtly political point over a politician not being present at the festival of remembrance.

What is relevant to me is that the right people are in attendance on Remembrance Sunday if they can - because for me (and yes I too am coming from a particular position - a religious one) it is in the remembrance day service and 2mins silence that the country's collective thoughts and prayers of thanksgiving and remembrance for all those who have served and are serving today are demonstrated and expressed.

And I stress the collective. That some choose to not attend such services on Remembrance Sunday in no way whatsoever diminishes their personal and individual thoughts and prayers (if used) of thanks and remembrance - in the same way that I may not may wear a poppy to church on Remembrance Sunday or in the preceding days (I did wear one this year). As for Johnson making a mistake with the placing of the wreath - that matters not one jot to me. We none of us - not one - deliberately make such mistakes.
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If you put yourself forward to take on or accept certain positions in life then you will know it comes with roles and responsibilities, if you are not happy with what the job entails, don’t do the job, whether that’s a leader of a political party or say the Captain of a Golf Club.
If you do accept the job then try do it to the best of your ability.
 
pauldj42 said:
It’s not bile if it matters to you.
Once again I agree we are all entitled to an opinion, but that’s just it opinions.
The difference comes when people try to use it as oneupmanship.
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My feeds are filled with people being offended with so and so's poppy at a funny angle or whatshername not wearing one or not enough people attending a service.
It's one thing if someone is being disrespectful but the stuff I see is just taking offence where it doesn't really exist.
 
robinthehood said:
My feeds are filled with people being offended with so and so's poppy at a funny angle or whatshername not wearing one or not enough people attending a service.
It's one thing if someone is being disrespectful but the stuff I see is just taking offence where it doesn't really exist.
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Sadly the same people will be just as offended by the latest episode of I’m a Celebrity, big difference between the man in the street having a whinge and a National Media outlet running a story.
 
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