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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Old Skier said:
The festival of remembrance has been going since the 1920's I think you'll find. I've attended a few so it isn't that new.
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doesn’t mean people should be looked down on if they don’t attend

We all did the job in the military to allow people to have free will and their own choice - now people like you are using something to remember people as a tool to make political statements and to score points - that in itself is disgusting and goes against everything people fought for

Imagine how appalled they would be that people are doing that - shameful

I had a quick look to see which paper would be running a story like it - no surprise which red top it is

It’s beyond pathetic that people are using Rememberance Day as a tool like this - pure shame
 
Liverpoolphil said:
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doesn’t mean people should be looked down on if they don’t attend

We all did the job in the military to allow people to have free will and their own choice - now people like you are using something to remember people as a tool to make political statements and to score points - that in itself is disgusting and goes against everything people fought for

Imagine how appalled they would be that people are doing that - shameful

I had a quick look to see which paper would be running a story like it - no surprise which red top it is

It’s beyond pathetic that people are using Rememberance Day as a tool like this - pure shame
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Why is it every time you are proven wrong you go on the attack. Just accept it and move on. I dont read newspapers, you obviously do, if you dont like what they print perhaps you should follow my example and stop.
 
Old Skier said:
Why is it every time you are proven wrong you go on the attack. Just accept it and move on. I dont read newspapers, you obviously do, if you dont like what they print perhaps you should follow my example and stop.
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I’m not exactly what I’m proven wrong about

I think it’s disgraceful that people use th e Rememberance of the fallen as a tool to score political points - you quite clearly think it’s fine
 
SocketRocket said:
Then you start your policy of rubbishing my reply 🙄 Just leave it out as Im not interested.
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Why would I rubbish a reply that makes sense?
No worries precious, obviously as I can’t ask I’ll take your posts with a pinch of salt.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I’m not exactly what I’m proven wrong about

I think it’s disgraceful that people use th e Rememberance of the fallen as a tool to score political points - you quite clearly think it’s fine
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No because you did a quick delete before I published. How am I scoring political points, it's a golf forum not the stump.
 
chrisd said:
But more disgraceful for the leader of the opposition not to attend imo
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There could be a genuine reason, hence why I believe people on the night should of waited.
Any point scoring or condemning should of waited for a few days imo.
Officially if he couldn’t attend a replacement should of been made known.
Thornberry was there, but I don’t know in what capacity.
 
chrisd said:
But more disgraceful for the leader of the opposition not to attend imo
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Why ? Is it a complusory attendance?

He was there on Sunday to lay the wreath and pay his respects

Millions put their lives on the line to allow people to have free choice and a free voice

You and others have used a service to remember them as some political point scoring exercise and gone against what they fought for - sometimes people maybe need to take a step back and wake up to themselves - it’s shameful

He went to visit people in real trouble right now and thank the emergency services for helping others. I have no doubt that if he was there people like yourself would be calling him a hypocrite because of his beliefs.

This whole GE campaign onto of Brexit is appalling at times and disgusts me the way people act and talk to others.

Seems people have forgotten what those who fell fought for.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why ? Is it a complusory attendance?

He was there on Sunday to lay the wreath and pay his respects

Millions put their lives on the line to allow people to have free choice and a free voice

You and others have used a service to remember them as some political point scoring exercise and gone against what they fought for - sometimes people maybe need to take a step back and wake up to themselves - it’s shameful

He went to visit people in real trouble right now and thank the emergency services for helping others. I have no doubt that if he was there people like yourself would be calling him a hypocrite because of his beliefs.

This whole GE campaign onto of Brexit is appalling at times and disgusts me the way people act and talk to others.

Seems people have forgotten what those who fell fought for.
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Come on Phil, if Boris missed it you'd have been all over it like a rash
 
chrisd said:
Come on Phil, if Boris missed it you'd have been all over it like a rash
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why - it would be the last thing on my mind because I have far too much respect for my fellow military personal both living and past.

I don’t care if Boris or indeed any politician was there or not - that’s not what the night is about and it’s beyond the pale that you and others made it about them and not the fallen.

The remembering of the fallen is not some tit for tat pathetic nonsense

But it just shows exactly what has happened to this country over the past 3 years
 
pauldj42 said:
There could be a genuine reason, hence why I believe people on the night should of waited.
Any point scoring or condemning should of waited for a few days imo.
Officially if he couldn’t attend a replacement should of been made known.
Thornberry was there, but I don’t know in what capacity.
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I suspect there is a real reason Paul. He is a terrorist sympathiser, an antisemite and prefers the IRA to the British services.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
why - it would be the last thing on my mind because I have far too much respect for my fellow military personal both living and past.

I don’t care if Boris or indeed any politician was there or not - that’s not what the night is about and it’s beyond the pale that you and others made it about them and not the fallen.

The remembering of the fallen is not some tit for tat pathetic nonsense

But it just shows exactly what has happened to this country over the past 3 years
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Phil, this post is outrageous and one that would get me a long ban if I truthfully answered it
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You and others have used a service to remember them as some political point scoring exercise and gone against what they fought for - sometimes people maybe need to take a step back and wake up to themselves - it’s shameful
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It's not a service, it's a festival and it is completely normal for the opposition leader and the PM to attend. I am not point scoring, there are no points to be won. I also know full well what WE ALL fought for, I don't need to wake up and I'm certainly not ashamed along with many others about complaining about what I, and they, rightly or wrongly fell it was a direct snub by Mr Corbyn, you don't, that's your opinion and your welcome to it.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
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doesn’t mean people should be looked down on if they don’t attend

We all did the job in the military to allow people to have free will and their own choice - now people like you are using something to remember people as a tool to make political statements and to score points - that in itself is disgusting and goes against everything people fought for

Imagine how appalled they would be that people are doing that - shameful

I had a quick look to see which paper would be running a story like it - no surprise which red top it is

It’s beyond pathetic that people are using Rememberance Day as a tool like this - pure shame
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I think you're 100% right in terms of the freedoms a private individual is afforded by the sacrifices of others.

However, Corbyn and every other politician/royal/head of an organisation is there representing others. Corbyn et al represent millions of people... I suppose it comes down to a not in my name, or yes in my name.

I accept and respect Corbyn's personal beliefs in this, just as you highlighted, but not his behaviour when he is representing others.

I think you're both right and wrong on this one. Right on a personal level but wrong on a representative level.
 
Did JC lay a wreath today?
Is today the 11th?

If so, drop it, your degrading remembrance with politics.
But I will also say this, you don’t have to be at a big event or have a overt show of some kind to appreciate that people have died to give us our freedoms.
Nor should we forget how we have had the longest term in Europe of peace, since the Second World War.
 
chrisd said:
I suspect there is a real reason Paul. He is a terrorist sympathiser, an antisemite and prefers the IRA to the British services.
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But he was at the Sunday Service laying a wreath or have you conveniently forgotten that as it doesn't fit your narrative? Logic would dictate that if he was all the things you accuse him of he would be at neither.

I'm no Corbyn fan but he pernicious nature of the right wing media campaign is distasteful at best and undemocratic at worst.
 
Hobbit said:
I think you're 100% right in terms of the freedoms a private individual is afforded by the sacrifices of others.

However, Corbyn and every other politician/royal/head of an organisation is there representing others. Corbyn et al represent millions of people... I suppose it comes down to a not in my name, or yes in my name.

I accept and respect Corbyn's personal beliefs in this, just as you highlighted, but not his behaviour when he is representing others.

I think you're both right and wrong on this one. Right on a personal level but wrong on a representative level.
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Who attends or not for me is irrelevant - as long as the people are being given a platform to ensure the sacrifice that many made is never forgotten.

It shouldn’t matter who is in the crowd , all that should matter is the people in the middle - but because of the way the country is going someone ( a Tory supporter ) and a clear Tory disgusting rag paper used the even to score points - that for me is more disgraceful than Corbyn not being there - I have no doubt if he turned up someone would have found a way to point a finger. Corbyn ( and to be clear his attitude and beliefs disgust me ) was there yesterday to pay his respects and lay a wreath as a representative of his party

Just for one weekend and a pretty important weekend - politics and the current embarrassment should have been forgotten with our thoughts and prayers elsewhere.

It’s shameful that some people’s thoughts were more on a politician not in the crowd as opposed to a veteran in the middle who made a huge sacrifice.

Politics in the UK is already ripping the country apart - and it’s a shame people couldn’t just switch off for a couple of days .
 
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