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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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What I don't get is why we have five weeks of electioneering. Lies lies and more lies for five weeks. I would suggest 100% of people who are going to vote know exactly which bunch of muppets they are going to support. So why wait?
Agree.. however the 5 weeks is more to get the administrative and logistics in place for the elections. Important things like Nativity plays will have to be make way for these poll-dancers
 
Will there be the televised debates again? I am assuming it'll be a case of how well they come across on these that will influence a lot of people. If Corbyn gets savaged I can see it hurting him at the polls and if there is one thing Johnson is good at is putting on a show and blustering his way through

Mostly true I think - though it does rather irritate this viewer/listener.

However - I don't think his bluster was that successful in his interview by Andrew Neil in the lead up to the Tory Party leadership election. The interview revealed that when pressed hard on something difficult he can become irritable - bringing out a rather snidey pointy-finger character in the guy that we don't usually see and that is rather the opposite of the fun, determined cuddly-chap image he likes to present to us.
 
I don't think his bluster was that successful in his interview by Andrew Neil in the lead up to the Tory Party leadership election. The interview revealed that when pressed hard on something he can become irritable - bringing out a rather snidey pointy-finger character in the guy that we don't usually see.

I think he's very poor off script. And the way he changes the subject so soon after being asked a question only highlights the fact he's dodging it. Unfortunately it appears that the UK is succumbing to the USA's version of a popularity contest rather than a genuine election of people that are honest, vocational people.
 
I think he's very poor off script. And the way he changes the subject so soon after being asked a question only highlights the fact he's dodging it. Unfortunately it appears that the UK is succumbing to the USA's version of a popularity contest rather than a genuine election of people that are honest, vocational people.

Yup, however the media age in which we live want to create and destroy 'celebrity' types and engineer controversy for entertainment (viewing figures), news has become a show/story. The interviewers themselves also want to enhance their own reputations so facts and truth is a sideline. Anyone who has had to undertake 'media' training will know that, whatever the question, you must stick to 'your/company' message!!

Few 'genuine' people would want to put themselves into the frame/circus when there are much better paid careers.
 
And now the Tories jump back into the lead with their candidate for the Broadland seat in Norfolk no longer standing after comments he made in 2014 about rape where he suggested that women should "keep their knickers on". I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry that this is the calibre of people that the main parties think should represent the public.

I think we often get what we deserve in the FPTP system we use. The parties rely on their core voters not really questioning what they stand for now and always putting their tick in the same box. In the past that was possibly understandable as with a few exceptions, you know where the parties stood and there was not that much variation. However now both the main parties have lurched to the left or right and are getting rid of the more moderate type of MPs who previous voters may have associated with. So there is an argument to say they are very different parties now to what people voted for in the past. And although it has always been the case, it is even more pronounced that their main argument is vote for us as the other ones are mostly awful. And there is a strong argument to say that is true. In which case we are choosing between various levels of awfulness.
 
Did I just hear Sturgeon state that Labour Party commitment to removal of Trident from the Clyde would be a precondition for SNP supporting Labour in the event of a hung parliament? Might not have been said in quite that way but I am she sure that she did raise Trident in the context of Labour. We'll see when we get the reporting of the speech and follow-up answers to questions.

And on NI access to the SM - well Sturgeon is very clear that what's good for the NI goose is good for the Scottish gander.
 
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Yup, however the media age in which we live want to create and destroy 'celebrity' types and engineer controversy for entertainment (viewing figures), news has become a show/story. The interviewers themselves also want to enhance their own reputations so facts and truth is a sideline. Anyone who has had to undertake 'media' training will know that, whatever the question, you must stick to 'your/company' message!!

Few 'genuine' people would want to put themselves into the frame/circus when there are much better paid careers.

Are you suggesting that Johnson is not (may not be) genuine?

I think with the Neil interview we saw the actor's mask slip...we saw the person reflected in the words reportedly said by his g/friend over the Red Wine Incident.
 
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Are you suggesting that Johnson is not (may not be) genuine?

I think with the Neil interview we saw the actor's mask slip...we saw the person reflected in the words reportedly said by his g/friend over the Red Wine Incident.

Which interview was that.. i might have missed it. I love BoJo interviews.. he sounds like a school head boy and has the energy of one. (apologies to any head boys insulted by that statement)
 
Are you suggesting that Johnson is not (may not be) genuine?

I think with the Neil interview we saw the actor's mask slip...we saw the person reflected in the words reportedly said by his g/friend over the Red Wine Incident.

It was a reply to Hobbit - I quite deliberately did not name ANY or attempt to insult current politicians - that, IMO, seems to be your raison d'etre.
 
Oh dear - the education of some candidates - Labour candidate for Clacton didn't know who Shylock was - just a term he and his mates used for someone who "relentlessly tries to get what they want".

I suppose it's quite possible he never came across Shakespeare at school - but I do rather struggle with the idea that he's never come across The Merchant of Venice in his 'adulthood'.
 
when i first saw this the bit in Father Ted sprange to mind when they tell Father Jack to just say " that would be an Equimenical matter " to any question hes asked:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

That bit where Johnson has a go at Neil for "not getting the detail right" and goes all pointy finger - I have a shameful little dream in which Neil leans over and punches Johnson...:)

In reality there was no need as Johnson goes on to make a fool of himself:

Neil: How would you handle paragraph 5C?
Johnson: I would confide entirely in Paragraph 5B.
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Neil: Do you know what's in paragraph 5C?
Johnson: No
Neil: I thought you were a man of detail

LOL

Or not so funny as Paragraph 5c is the important one in respect of just coming out of the EU and trading under WTO Gatt Article 24.

Of which we do not hear so much these days - specifically perhaps from previous enthusiastic proponents of Gatt 24 such as JR-M.

But of course - I must not forget - we have a microwave-ready WA just sitting there waiting to be warmed up and devoured once the Tories win a majority in the GE...yum...
 
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Oh dear - the education of some candidates - Labour candidate for Clacton didn't know who Shylock was - just a term he and his mates used for someone who "relentlessly tries to get what they want".

I suppose it's quite possible he never came across Shakespeare at school - but I do rather struggle with the idea that he's never come across The Merchant of Venice in his 'adulthood'.

Having lectured to postgraduates for decades at many universities here and overseas believe me a knowledge of the literature 'classics' is not a very good sign of an education or indicator of intelligence.
 
Oh dear - the education of some candidates - Labour candidate for Clacton didn't know who Shylock was - just a term he and his mates used for someone who "relentlessly tries to get what they want".

I suppose it's quite possible he never came across Shakespeare at school - but I do rather struggle with the idea that he's never come across The Merchant of Venice in his 'adulthood'.

Thick tosser, haven't they seen the Benedict Cumberbatch version on TV with Martin Freeman and Una Stubbs??? Jeez, these potential MPs are so out of touch.
 
Oh dear - the education of some candidates - Labour candidate for Clacton didn't know who Shylock was - just a term he and his mates used for someone who "relentlessly tries to get what they want".

I suppose it's quite possible he never came across Shakespeare at school - but I do rather struggle with the idea that he's never come across The Merchant of Venice in his 'adulthood'.
I believe most people are put off Shakespeare by how it is taught at school. I had The Merchant of Venice as my O level book. Absolute torture and I have never wanted to read or see any other Shakespeare related play since. Why would you expect people to come across Shakespeare in adulthood when they are put off it in childhood?

More than feasible that an adult does not know the reality of who Shylock is or what the use of it might mean. You are in danger of sounding like Mr Rees-Mogg on this one :eek:
 
That bit where Johnson has a go at Neil for "not getting the detail right" and goes all pointy finger - I have a shameful little dream in which Neil leans over and punches Johnson...:)

In reality there was no need as Johnson goes on to make a fool of himself:

Neil: How would you handle paragraph 5C?
Johnson: I would confide entirely in Paragraph 5B.
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Neil: Do you know what's in paragraph 5C?
Johnson: No
Neil: I thought you were a man of detail

LOL

Or not so funny as Paragraph 5c is the important one in respect of just coming out of the EU and trading under WTO Gatt Article 24.

Of which we do not hear so much these days - specifically perhaps from previous enthusiastic proponents of Gatt 24 such as JR-M.

But of course - I must not forget - we have a microwave-ready WA just sitting there waiting to be warmed up and devoured once the Tories win a majority in the GE...yum...
Sounds like you nearly wet yourself :rolleyes:
 
Having lectured to postgraduates for decades at many universities here and overseas believe me a knowledge of the literature 'classics' is not a very good sign of an education or indicator of intelligence.

I do not doubt - but I'd have thought that for anyone looking to be an MP - a bit of Shakespeare and such as The Merchant of Venice would be General Knowledge. That said I suspect that many who profess such a knowledge will believe Shakespeare to be responsible for 'Oh what a tangled web we weave...'
 
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