SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Maybe thats because its not stupidly unaffordable and designed to wreck the country.[/QUOTE]
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harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Probably because you need to do the journey ... you can tell people the answer but they don’t believe. But if you make them experience it they learn more .. management my friend be supportive and hold a few hands but let them make their own decisions 🤣.. I know it’s a pain in the butt if you need to get stuff done!
just add those to all the other Tory pledges they didn't even attemp to carry out..... say what you like to win votes.... as always
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Deleted member 16999
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The less you promise, the less you have to justify and answer for.
boris has 1 priority and that is brexit, if he wins on that then afterwards he can say or do what he wants as he’ll have the perfect excuses, ie, success - he told us brexit needed to be done, disaster - not his fault, HoC delaying brexit by 3 years caused it.
Win, win for boris.
not to mention blaming the HOC for delaying brexit when it was mostly Conservative MP's who didn't vote for TM deal...some of those even in his cabinet... you couldn't make it up.... well some things you can
Not dissimilar to the last 2 Tory manifestos. Maybe its about affordability, or maybe its lets not put too much out there to be shot at.
40 new hospitals; it won't happen without more PFI's, and that's been proven as too painful.
50,000 new nurses; again, a big number that would be horrendously expensive on top of 40 new hospitals. I remember Tony Blair promising something similar, and almost achieving it. The detail behind it was a number of job share posts on top of very few new nurses. Job share = same cost but 2 nurses instead of 1 = con.
Its as much a fairy story as Labour's manifesto. Do we now get to argue about who's the biggest liar, even though both are liars? Where's the merit in supporting the 2nd biggest liar, whoever that may be?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
The fact that the Tories are using Nicky Morgan to front their policies on Radio and TV, someone who is not even standing as a MP in this election, and are hiding the leader of the House of Commons so the electorate see as little as him as possible so he does not remind anyone what type of person gets on in the Tory Party nowadays, is nothing to worry about. #factcheck
drdel
Tour Rookie
I've had look and I think its quite a sensible plan under the current conditions of domestic UK turmoil, German/French/RoEU squabbles and the 'trade' conflicts in RoW.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
If Diane Abbott had of done this several members of this forum would have blown a gasket. But it's been done by a Tory so all is OK #factcheck
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Low investment in education and the dumbing down of mathematics are responsible, but it was all retrieved with a great quote from the Odyssey
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Deleted member 16999
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It’s certainly cautious, whether it’s sensible is more debatable, there’s not a great deal to be optimistic about.
More realistic than Labours, but get a feeling it’ll be similar to the last 9 years and cuts will come in areas not mentioned.
Edit: See the Nicky Morgan interview above for example. Don’t think we’ll be seeing much more of her.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Oh dear.... worse than Abacus Abbott!
There was a recent Education Minister who flat out refused to answer any spelling or maths questions on air as they are just designed to catch them out. The interviewer got quite exasperated but I quite admired the person for telling them to shove it. Ask me questions about policy but I wont do cheap tricks was the gist of it. I am surprised others don't follow and just blanket refuse to answer them.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Four months ago Johnson has a plan for Social Care. What's happened to it? Was it going to be a bit too expensive or summit.
Cunning Plan of the Tories - state everything as loosely and uncommitted as possible - making it almost impossible to actually cost, to decide whether it's going to be achievable. And so one of the very obvious pledges. The 40 hospitals. How much is it going to cost to build the 40 hospitals. Not the cost of the 6 plus the seed money for the other 34 - what will be the cost (approximate will do) of the 40. And over what time period for them to get built and staffed. Will the 50,000 new nurses (well they are not all new are they and they have no guaranteed way of getting from 30,000 to 50,000 do they? - but put that aside) cover the staffing of these hospitals?
Now the answers to the above two questions might have been given - and I may have just missed it.
Cunning Plan of the Tories - state everything as loosely and uncommitted as possible - making it almost impossible to actually cost, to decide whether it's going to be achievable. And so one of the very obvious pledges. The 40 hospitals. How much is it going to cost to build the 40 hospitals. Not the cost of the 6 plus the seed money for the other 34 - what will be the cost (approximate will do) of the 40. And over what time period for them to get built and staffed. Will the 50,000 new nurses (well they are not all new are they and they have no guaranteed way of getting from 30,000 to 50,000 do they? - but put that aside) cover the staffing of these hospitals?
Now the answers to the above two questions might have been given - and I may have just missed it.
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Deleted member 16999
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Surely any politicians should be able to answer questions on details.
Doing it your way would mean interviewers accepting Labours spending plans and not quizzing them, that would be disastrous.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Taking the Tory approach to the Labour Party 2017 manifesto, and the roll-up of it plus all pledges between then and now, on top of the 2019 manifesto - then is it fair to deduce that unless the Tories have specifically excluded that from their current manifesto then it is still a manifesto pledge?
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Certainly looks like boris lied again yesterday when he announced 50,000 more Nurses for the NHS.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Hilarious......….love they way she and the other Tory liars say 'we are very clear about this'.Low investment in education and the dumbing down of mathematics are responsible, but it was all retrieved with a great quote from the Odyssey
Yes Nicky and we are very clear you are trying to feed us total bullpoo,
She makes Abbott look like Turing.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Certainly looks like boris lied again yesterday when he announced 50,000 more Nurses for the NHS.
...and his pledge to get a new trade deal agreed with the EU in 2020 without the need for any extension simply smacks of the same sort of 'pledge' he gave to the country to leave the EU on 31st October - so just anther pledge that he does not have full control of. All he can guarantee on that front is that there will be no extension beyond end-2020 with an agreed deal or no deal agreed - because with a majority he will be able to choose to not request an extension - and that's it. He can't guarantee anything in respect of a deal.
Royal Liverpool Hospital was supposed to cost £331m. There's another £140m added to that since Carillion's collapse. Bearing in mind RLH & Broadgreen wasn't a full build, call it £500m. Multiply that by 40. That's not a money tree required, its a money forest!
For all the perceived perception that the Tories manifesto is sensible, is it really?
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