AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

[Deleted member 16999]

Anyway let’s not focus just on jezza, don’t forget John McDonnell, who had this to say in 2003: “It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”

Google Maria Gatland or when the Queen met Gerry Adams and Martyn McGuiness.
The DUP supported the UDA/UFF the Tory party gave them a Billion pounds to prop them up in Government.

 

[harpo_72]

The Labour Party stopped being about the working class the moment Tony Blair became PM, and that was accentuated when Gordon Brown took over as he was more concerned with things outside the UK... funny thing is every “socialist” I know is richer than me, inevitably has a couple of houses and rent them out to immigrants!🤔

Do you resent success and having empathy?
I would rather have the wealthy give a monkeys and paying their taxes to maintain the NHS, the education system etc .. I don’t have much time for the me first right wing policies

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So basically this thread is going to be

Tory are evil - no labour are evil

No Tories or evil

Repeat till end

nothing about what either parties policies will be for the future , what they will look to do post Brexit because this should be about more than Brexit

Either way it shows what a complete state we are in when we have to pick between Johnson and Corbyn as PM - and we laughed at the US when they had to pick between Clinton and Trump

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Got a problem with Dom Cummins?

Your gonna love Seamus Milne....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6738195/CORBYN.html

Yes it’s the DM but feel free to point out any inaccuracies.👍

Why has it taken 9 months for you to highlight this?
You really are running in fear.
Don’t worry I’m sure the Brexit Party will have a strong candidate in your area.

 

[Fade and Die]

Why has it taken 9 months for you to highlight this?
You really are running in fear.
Don’t worry I’m sure the Brexit Party will have a strong candidate in your area.

Err... maybe because an election has been called?

Your 2nd “point” is a good one, it’s hard to say what impact the Brexit party will have on both Lab and Con, I’m in a Conservative area but am a fully paid up member of the Brexit party.... it is a bit of a conundrum!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Err... maybe because an election has been called?

Your 2nd “point” is a good one, it’s hard to say what impact the Brexit party will have on both Lab and Con, I’m in a Conservative area but am a fully paid up member of the Brexit party.... it is a bit of a conundrum!

Sadly all you’re doing is proving Corbyn is correct when he said this will be the dirtiest GE ever.
I’ve not seen one person on this forum support Corbyn or McDonnell, many like myself wish they were gone, they aren’t so I will read the Manifest when it comes out, speak to local MP (who went against Corbyn and voted for boris’s deal) and then decide if I vote for him or spoil my paper.

 

[Hobbit]

im much more frustrated by it. It appears pointless, weak and overly expensive. I can only mourn the fact that we’ve endured years of austerity, food banks, poverty, unnecessary deaths and almost criminal underfunding of crucial services, only to spunk every penny saved into Grayling-esque planning and unnecessary elections etc. Only to make us all worse off and make absolutely no significant difference to the general population. Sad.

I’m not happy with any cuts to Armed Forces, just as I’d imagine you’re not, the difference is, I’m not writing off the next Labour Party prior to them getting in(whenever that maybe) based on the facts the tories have done nothing positive for Defence over the last 10yrs.

I'm not defending the level of austerity nor the length of time it went on but can we at least consider the state the country was in when the Tories took over. A worse level of debt than Greece, and only kept afloat by the ability to service a large portion of that debt. But the country was still sinking with interest on top of interest. And then there was its triple AAA credit rating which it lost, making interest rates even higher.

Cuts were needed but many of those cuts were brutal. And some of those cuts were an absolute disgrace, e.g. shutting down the workshops that many disabled went to everyday.

However, the sad reality was their was little choice in the early Tory years but to make cuts.

The other side of the coin, the reducing of taxes for the rich in the hope that it would stimulate reinvestment by rich businessmen was proven to not work. Trickle down economics has never been an efficient or fair way to run it. Was it favouritism or flawed economic policy? Maybe a bit of both?

Again, I'm not condoning the level but they were needed in some form.

 

[Hobbit]

Why has it taken 9 months for you to highlight this?
You really are running in fear.
Don’t worry I’m sure the Brexit Party will have a strong candidate in your area.

I didn't need the DM to know about Seamus Milne. I thought his attributes were well known.

 

[Fade and Die]

Sadly all you’re doing is proving Corbyn is correct when he said this will be the dirtiest GE ever.
I’ve not seen one person on this forum support Corbyn or McDonnell, many like myself wish they were gone, they aren’t so I will read the Manifest when it comes out, speak to local MP (who went against Corbyn and voted for boris’s deal) and then decide if I vote for him or spoil my paper.

You will vote for him. Guaranteed. 🐑🐑🐑

 

[Hobbit]

Sadly all you’re doing is proving Corbyn is correct when he said this will be the dirtiest GE ever.
I’ve not seen one person on this forum support Corbyn or McDonnell, many like myself wish they were gone, they aren’t so I will read the Manifest when it comes out, speak to local MP (who went against Corbyn and voted for boris’s deal) and then decide if I vote for him or spoil my paper.

And Corbyn, today, named rich individuals he wants to go after. Sorry but that's low. By all means set a policy, and let the electorate decide but to name individuals he wants to go after.... Clean election? He needs to look at himself.

As for the targeting of rich individuals; maybe he'd like to stand at the stump and explain why/how Momentum gave him a £70,000 'loan' with no repayment terms, including a time period to repay. He's declared it, as per the rules of Parliament... but a 'loan?' Yeh right...

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Oh what joy on radio 4 this evening. A one off Little Brexit special
Who'd have thought Vicky Pollard would have been so informative

 

[bluewolf]

The other side of the coin, the reducing of taxes for the rich in the hope that it would stimulate reinvestment by rich businessmen was proven to not work. Trickle down economics has never been an efficient or fair way to run it. Was it favouritism or flawed economic policy? Maybe a bit of both?

Again, I'm not condoning the level but they were needed in some form.

I’m not disputing the fact that cuts were needed. (I will argue with anyone the real reason behind the fragile state of the economy at the time however.)

But, if after all those years of savage cuts, and repeated uttering regarding the lack of a magic money tree, the issue we decide to spend all those saved pennies on is something that will only make most of us poorer, drive down public services further and make not one blind bit of difference to the lives of the vast majority of us (other than the aforementioned negatives).

Imagine what we could’ve done with those billions? Hospitals, Schools, improved pensions, renewable energy investment, inner city regeneration. All the things that have degenerated spectacularly over the last 20 years 😢

 

[ger147]

I must admit I don’t fully understand election polling, but if you simply extrapolate that percentage out into seats won’t this give them less seats than they currently have?

I understand d they’ll have more seats than the other parties, but not a majority of the house.

Would be interested to understand if I’m misinterpretating this though.

In our FTTP system, that margin of votes over the rest of the parties would result in an overall majority of about 80 seats.

Another way to look at it. In the 2015 GE, UKIP got about 4 million votes but not a single seat. 41% of the votes does NOT equate to 41% of the seats for the Tories if Labour only get 24%.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I didn't need the DM to know about Seamus Milne. I thought his attributes were well known.

They are mate, it’s the trawling the web looking for old news to be new news.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

God we've still got six weeks to go and it's gone mental already. Then again, I am almost begging one of the Lib Dems to come round knocking on my door canvassing for my vote. That will be the most entertaining few minutes I've had in months ;-)

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And Corbyn, today, named rich individuals he wants to go after. Sorry but that's low. By all means set a policy, and let the electorate decide but to name individuals he wants to go after.... Clean election? He needs to look at himself.

As for the targeting of rich individuals; maybe he'd like to stand at the stump and explain why/how Momentum gave him a £70,000 'loan' with no repayment terms, including a time period to repay. He's declared it, as per the rules of Parliament... but a 'loan?' Yeh right...

You’re preaching to the converted Bri, I’m not defending Corbyn as his name will stand in front of any decent Labour policies that are proposed.
Proper dilemma for me, Labour win = More Corbyn
Tory win = Boris but Corbyn steps down
Maybe a hung parliament with more chaos and another GE in the spring with different party leaders.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You will vote for him. Guaranteed. 🐑🐑🐑

Eh! Sheep, You’re the one supporting a one trick pony! Farage has failed at everything and has 1 policy.
No google then or answer to the terrorist supporting tories!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

God we've still got six weeks to go and it's gone mental already. Then again, I am almost begging one of the Lib Dems to come round knocking on my door canvassing for my vote. That will be the most entertaining few minutes I've had in months ;-)

Why, what’s going to happen?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You’re preaching to the converted Bri, I’m not defending Corbyn as his name will stand in front of any decent Labour policies that are proposed.
Proper dilemma for me, Labour win = More Corbyn
Tory win = Boris but Corbyn steps down
Maybe a hung parliament with more chaos and another GE in the spring with different party leaders.

I believe if Corbyn wins he will step aside pretty quick

He doesn't want to be pm he wants to just say he was

So step aside and have someone else

 

[ger147]

I believe if Corbyn wins he will step aside pretty quick

He doesn't want to be pm he wants to just say he was

So step aside and have someone else

I very much doubt he will immediately fall on his sword. Will be an interesting battle between the grass roots members and the PLP when he finally does go as I'm sure the PLP will want to regain control of their party when the opportunity next presents itself.