Am I being a bit daft?

[bluewolf]

Gareth, what you've described above is EXACTLY my game. I can shoot low 70's when I feel right, but I can equally shoot high 80's when I don't. On Monday, myself and a few forumers played Hazel Grove and I played well (not great, but well enough). I shot 80 and it could easily have been 2-3 shots lower. The next day at my course I played and probably didn't break 95...

The difference I hear you ask!! I was focused on the round at HG because the game meant something. The next day at my course I wasn't focused due to the fact that we were on temp greens and tees and quite honestly, sometimes it's just not worth it. If YOU have the capability to shoot in the 70's then that doesn't disappear overnight.

Maybe your new coach could go through some mental drills with you. The last time I had a lesson (one of only 2 i've had) the main topic of work was on my mindset and how to approach shots. It's possibly the only good thing I took from the lesson TBH.

Good luck with your chosen pathway, just remember that it's supposed to be fun and that 77 is a score that 90% (made up stat alert) of golfers will never achieve outside of Tiger Woods 13....

 

[scratch]

I play in loads of scratch opens every year and every week the scores vary from 60 something to well into the 90's. Everyone is capable of stringing a one-off good score together but the secret is to build a swing that gives you the ability to shoot only a few shots over handicap on a bad day.

 

[bluewolf]

I play in loads of scratch opens every year and every week the scores vary from 60 something to well into the 90's. Everyone is capable of stringing a one-off good score together but the secret is to build a swing that gives you the ability to shoot only a few shots over handicap on a bad day.

Assuming of course that the fault lies with the swing?

 

[Ethan]

I think the estimate of 90% of (Gareth's) bad shots being due to the swing may be a bit (or a lot) high. The swing hits the ball in 100% of cases, true, but the head controls almost all of those.

 

[JustOne]

I'm going to edit Ethan's post slightly, see if that helps....

The X crew have re-engineered their narrative to try to be all things to all people, and claiming that most of the greats have used elements of X technique. Look at the WGC event this weekend and count the number of players who really use X. I think it might be zero. The fact that some golfers have made money using a X doesn't mean they made money because they were using a X. Equally you could look at those who gave it up and conclude they thought it didn't work.

If you want to have a swing where you stay largely centred over the ball, that is fine, but that isn't X.

I can only tell you where I'm at.......

I play crap golf, I can teach people but my body just won't do the things I teach, my back hurts and my shoulder too (although the steroids I had injected last week are helping). Like you I can go out tomorrow and shoot 95, I could also shoot 77 but that would be less likely.

What I could do is STOP trying to hit my 6-iron 200yds and worry about actually making good contact. I'm not going to be a tour pro, I'm not going to stand on every tee and stripe it 280yds down the middle every time, I'm not going to be that good - EVER.

So should I change my swing? Should I go and get lessons? or should I learn to not listen to people who say they had a 15 minute lesson with their aging pro and are now ripping it down the middle despite playing off 26 h/cap and that S&T doesn't work because no one on the Tour uses it?



I couldn't care less what swing you use... take a run-up if that's what makes you happy, but no one on the tour does that

 

[tsped83]

This is all sounding a bit much to me guys, a bit of a novice I grant you. If you're unhappy with your technique surely the best thing would be to go and SEE a local pro and have a few lessons, hands on. No Internet jargon and tips from videos, books, golf is a practical game and you need to learn by doing, not watching. All this business with S&T(?), V Easy's etc just seems to me to over complicate a game that is complicated enough! Relax and enjoy it, nome of us are your pros or are ever likely to be!

 

[virtuocity]

I've tried to type a response about 4 times and have deleted each one of them. It just seems to me that you don't know what your problem is and while others might run out and buy the most expensive golf clubs they can find, you're wanting to spend money on lessons and completely change a swing which has seen you shoot 77.

Drastic!

 

[One Planer]

you're wanting to spend money on lessons and completely change a swing which has seen you shoot 77.

Drastic!

I have no idea how drastic the changes will be! I haven't had my lesson yet

Have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQAhgiMOwRE&list=FLjLmlOfygR2_BlFieBqGDeQ&index=4

Is this Stack & Tilt?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

 

[JustOne]

Nothing is stack and tilt... even Charlie Wi isn't stack and tilt, that's the thing that none of the ill-informed here actually understand.

Robert Rock is more stack and tilt than I am, yet he's not a S&T player.




Posting here anything to do with S&T is like posting about making love to a woman on a forum where people can't get erections!

People will be trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't be doing whilst not actually being able to do F-all themselves.

 

[Mattyboy]

I have no idea how drastic the changes will be! I haven't had my lesson yet

Have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQAhgiMOwRE&list=FLjLmlOfygR2_BlFieBqGDeQ&index=4

Is this Stack & Tilt?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

I would say that Rock demonstrates (here) some S&T principles. I.e. Head dosnt move back on the backswing and the right leg straightens somewhat. The set up looks S&T too (kness out).

In other words, dont get hung up on S&T and whether its good or bad. Work out which parts of S&T work for you and use them. My ball striking has been pants recently so I have worked on the bits of S&T which would improve that (staying centered) and it had improved allot.

Now, because I spent my time on the long game the putting has taken a dive (36 putts at the weekend) but I still scored + 4 to the SSS due to much improved ball striking.

If you do have lessons I wouldnt mention S&T to your new coach. He will either be pro or anti it. If he is anti he will just unpick the S&T principles from your swing, whether they are heping you or not.

Good luck.

 

[bluewolf]

Not sure how this turned into a "lets bash S&T" thread but I guess some people don't really need an excuse.

James, just chill and read another thread. Lifes too short give a rats behind....

 

[JustOne]

James, just chill and read another thread. Lifes too short give a rats behind....

Yeh, I know..... but I just made the pic below so I can't help myself!!!! LOLOL :thup:


Here's 3 different club positions... who is S&T?

 

[Ethan]

Nothing is stack and tilt... even Charlie Wi isn't stack and tilt, that's the thing that none of the ill-informed here actually understand.

Robert Rock is more stack and tilt than I am, yet he's not a S&T player.




Posting here anything to do with S&T is like posting about making love to a woman on a forum where people can't get erections!

People will be trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't be doing whilst not actually being able to do F-all themselves.

Look, if you like it, good for you. It obviously works for you but equally obviously hasn't worked for others. Charlie Wi thinks he is using S&T, so perhaps you should write to him, care of the PGA Tour, and set him straight.

Anyway, you are not a pro nor as far as I am aware accredited to teach S&T, so we only have your word that you know what you are talking about. You read the book, though.

In the meantime, could you also try to refrain from the other nonsense in the second part of the quoted post, which is neither relevant to S&T nor appropriate for the forum.

 

[JustOne]

Anyway, you are not a pro nor as far as I am aware accredited to teach S&T, so we only have your word that you know what you are talking about. You read the book, though.

Your opinion is valid but mine comes in for criticism? Are you a qualified pro then?

I don't recall personally attacking your opinion, in fact I used an excerpt of it to show how it could be applied to ANY situation whether it be a putting aid or a swing style.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I had never heard of Plane Truth before December 2011 but it is a system that has given me a better swing, hitting some solid shots and enjoying it much more. I've gone from 14-10 in that spell with not short game. In my mind the OP has a great chance of getting much lower, shooting in the 70's more often because of the regular obeservations and intervention of the pro. I don't think it matters which methodology the pro uses providing you buy into it and trust what you are being told.

 

[AmandaJR]

Gareth - personally I think the hands on direct approach you get from a pro is invaluable. Find a pro who is local enough to be practical to see on a regular basis and go from there. He should be able to look at your current swing and advise what's required to make it more robust and repeatable plus help you find your "ambulance swing" for those days when nothing feels right.

On a personal note - my strength and the part of the game I love most is my short game. Put a gap wedge in my hands around a green and I'm happy, confident and looking forward to playing a beautiful shot which makes me smile. That is until a couple of weeks ago when suddenly the odd one squirted low and right (yikes!). The odd one became more frequent and despite practice and practice and trying to figure out what had gone wrong I just wasn't getting anywhere but worse.

So I had a lesson today and within minutes my coach could see what the problem was and I proceeded to hit chip after chip to different targets as if I'd never had a problem. The problem - at set up my shoulders/upper body were so open to the target that it was amazing I landed a club on the ball at all! Could I see that? No. Could I feel that? No. Had I even come close to figuring that out chip after chip, you tube after you tube video? Not really. Ok so I had realised that squaring up my stance resulted in some better results but it felt really odd and that's because I squared my feet but (probably) not my shoulders.

It may not be for everyone but I know I wouldn't be playing golf now if it weren't for my coach and regular lessons.

Go for it with an open mind and positive outlook and good luck (find a good pro though)!!

 

[Ethan]

Your opinion is valid but mine comes in for criticism? Are you a qualified pro then?

I don't recall personally attacking your opinion, in fact I used an excerpt of it to show how it could be applied to ANY situation whether it be a putting aid or a swing style.

You are a special case, JO.

I have never offered to host clinics. You have.

I don't think I am the only one here who knows about ... anything. You seem to think that, though, even more than some of the PGA Tour pros who are generally considered to use this method.

I realise other opinions are available and valid. I don't think you do.

A shaft is a necessary component of the golf club. SnT is not a necessary version of the swing.

Your opinion comes in for criticism because of the way you offer it, and the way you attack those who disagree. Using sexual innuendo to make your point is only going to get more criticism. There is plenty of similar double entendre material available from the description of shaft technology, but I will not be using it.

 

[Hobbit]

I've tried to type a response about 4 times and have deleted each one of them. It just seems to me that you don't know what your problem is and while others might run out and buy the most expensive golf clubs they can find, you're wanting to spend money on lessons and completely change a swing which has seen you shoot 77.

Drastic!

There's been plenty of pro's who've drastically changed their swing and benefited from it. An amatuer going to a pro sounds pretty sensible to me... you never know, by the end of the year he might shoot a 67!

 

[SocketRocket]

Gareth,

I would suggest that maybe you could seek out someone who's opinion you can respect, a good reputable golf Pro would be a good choice, someone who's opinion and experience you respect .

Explain your concerns and goals and ask them their opinion on the best plan to achieve your aspirations. The routemap may be a swing rebuild but it may be a mental outlook or understanding some fundamentals with more clarity.

I wish you the best for your new journey in what ever shape or form it may take. I do admire your passion and drive to improve.

 

[Mungoscorner]

This is all sounding a bit much to me guys, a bit of a novice I grant you. If you're unhappy with your technique surely the best thing would be to go and SEE a local pro and have a few lessons, hands on. No Internet jargon and tips from videos, books, golf is a practical game and you need to learn by doing, not watching. All this business with S&T(?), V Easy's etc just seems to me to over complicate a game that is complicated enough! Relax and enjoy it, nome of us are your pros or are ever likely to be!

This thread should have ended after this post.:thup: