2022 World Cup.

[paddyc]

Fantastic last 40 mins and the drama of pens First 80 a stroll for Argentina and a bit boring except that lovely goal by Di Maria.
Happy for Messi Caps off a brilliant career and for me the best player ever.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

There’s a photo doing social media of all the trophies Messi has. Lordy flippin Lordy.

He’s just the one behind Danny Alves now!

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Anyone got any plans for next weekend now the WC is over?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Well got to say,they’ve put on a pretty good World Cup ?‍

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I hope the French lads that missed pens don’t get the Saka treatment.

Unfortunately they have been - both Coman and Touchmeni have been subjected to racist abuse on social media

 

[ColchesterFC]

Today's result has confirmed that Messi absolutely does deserve to be in the same bracket as the other greats who have won the WC.

Even without today's result I don't think that there ever was, or at least ever should've been, an argument that Messi shouldn't be up in that bracket. It's just down to personal opinion where he sits in the list of greatest ever. As I said previously there's no right or wrong answer to that as it's so subjective and personal.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Unfortunately they have been - both Coman and Touchmeni have been subjected to racist abuse on social media

Just goes to show that every country has their share of idiots ( <---- Fragger friendly description, insert your own stronger word for what they actually are). Coman and Tchouameni obviously missed their penalties because they were black, while Mbappe and Muani obviously scored their's because they weren't... oh hang on a minute.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For me there are a number of players that stand above and I’ll just go by players in my lifetime that I saw play ( so can’t include Pele , Puskas , Beckenbauer , Best etc )

Maradona
Messi
Zidane
C Ronaldo
Ronaldo

Ronaldo is prob the best striker I have ever seen , it’s a shame injuries robbed him , if he didn’t have those issues then he would have smashed records - still managed to win a lot

Zidane - another who won the lot , was out of this world at times both at Juve and Real

C Ronaldo - prob the best goalscorer seen over the years , just a goal machine and some of his records will be untouched

Maradona - the most skillful player I have seen , he was just unplayable in 86 and then again in 90

And then Messi - he is a combination of Maradona and C Ronaldo , 20 years he has been at the top of the game , winning everything he can and being key to those wins as well - WC is the cherry on top

That would be my top 5

1 Messi
2 Maradona
3 C Ronaldo
4 Zidane
5 Ronaldo


Have to also give an honourable mention to Ronaldinho - who is prob the most entertaining player I have ever seen and his skill on the ball just unreal

 

[HampshireHog]

Well got to say,they’ve put on a pretty good World Cup ?‍

There’s been some cracking matches which obviously the organisers can’t take credit for, from a match only perspective maybe the best in my lifetime.

Logistically, it has been run well, but so many other issues stop me from seeing it as good World Cup.

Not sure it’s showcased Qatar in the PR light they would have hoped for.

 

[ColchesterFC]

For me there are a number of players that stand above and I’ll just go by players in my lifetime that I saw play ( so can’t include Pele , Puskas , Beckenbauer , Best etc )

Maradona
Messi
Zidane
C Ronaldo
Ronaldo

Ronaldo is prob the best striker I have ever seen , it’s a shame injuries robbed him , if he didn’t have those issues then he would have smashed records - still managed to win a lot

Zidane - another who won the lot , was out of this world at times both at Juve and Real

C Ronaldo - prob the best goalscorer seen over the years , just a goal machine and some of his records will be untouched

Maradona - the most skillful player I have seen , he was just unplayable in 86 and then again in 90

And then Messi - he is a combination of Maradona and C Ronaldo , 20 years he has been at the top of the game , winning everything he can and being key to those wins as well - WC is the cherry on top

That would be my top 5

1 Messi
2 Maradona
3 C Ronaldo
4 Zidane
5 Ronaldo


Have to also give an honourable mention to Ronaldinho - who is prob the most entertaining player I have ever seen and his skill on the ball just unreal

The other factor that needs to be taken into account is why it's always attacking players that get mentioned during discussions of the best ever players. Maybe the discussion should be best ever XI rather than best player. This has the added advantage of extending the argument to cover every position on the pitch.

Then we can argue if it's Buffon/Neuer/Zoff/Kahn/Schmeichel/Banks for the GK position.

Baresi/Maldini/Cafu/Beckenbauer/Carlos/Moore in defence.

Zidane/Matthaus/Xavi/Iniesta/Platini/Cruyff/Zico in midfield.

And Ronaldo x 2/Messi/Puskas/Pele/Di Stefano/Gerd Muller/Eusebio/Maradonna/Origi in attack.

Having named all of the players above I'm not sure that I could pick a best Xi and would probably need to pick two teams just to make sure that I got everyone in that deserves a mention.

 

[clubchamp98]

???

Scoring a penalty is scoring a goal ??


Shall we take all those golden boots away from the likes of Kane, Salah, Shearer etc because some are penalties

Sometimes you come up with some strange stuff about football but that’s up there with the best

what about free kicks ?

If scoring penalties is like fishing in barrel how come so many are missed and also by the best

Can’t take them away they were the rules then.
I never mentioned free kick just penalty’s.

Just thinking out loud.
So Mbappe scores five worldie goals in the Euros .
But James Milner is drafted in by GS and scores six pens and wins the golden boot.
Is Milner the best goalscorer in Euros ?

 

[clubchamp98]

You make it sound like a penalty is a tap-in goal, but as Englishmen we know better than anybody that that isn't the case. ?

That goes for the French as well.

 

[clubchamp98]

The other factor that needs to be taken into account is why it's always attacking players that get mentioned during discussions of the best ever players. Maybe the discussion should be best ever XI rather than best player. This has the added advantage of extending the argument to cover every position on the pitch.

Then we can argue if it's Buffon/Neuer/Zoff/Kahn/Schmeichel/Banks for the GK position.

Baresi/Maldini/Cafu/Beckenbauer/Carlos/Moore in defence.

Zidane/Matthaus/Xavi/Iniesta/Platini/Cruyff/Zico in midfield.

And Ronaldo x 2/Messi/Puskas/Pele/Di Stefano/Gerd Muller/Eusebio/Maradonna/Origi in attack.

Having named all of the players above I'm not sure that I could pick a best Xi and would probably need to pick two teams just to make sure that I got everyone in that deserves a mention.

Welcome to management at the highest level.

 

[clubchamp98]

Should free kicks count? I remember Chilavert used to take free kicks for Paraguay, so there would be a danger of a keeper getting a few on the score sheet.

If penalties were not to count, does that mean we don't need to be sad about Kane's miss?

Never mentioned free kicks just pens.
Not sad we were just not good enough

 

[Swango1980]

Can’t take them away they were the rules then.
I never mentioned free kick just penalty’s.

Just thinking out loud.
So Mbappe scores five worldie goals in the Euros .
But James Milner is drafted in by GS and scores six pens and wins the golden boot.
Is Milner the best goalscorer in Euros ?

Well, Milner would be top scorer, if that is what you mean be best.

Next you will be recommending each goal is rated out of 10, and top goalscorer has the highest total rating

 

[clubchamp98]

Well, Milner would be top scorer, if that is what you mean be best.

Next you will be recommending each goal is rated out of 10, and top goalscorer has the highest total rating

No that would be silly.
Your making things up now.
Just penalties!

 

[Swango1980]

No that would be silly.
Your making things up now.
Just penalties!

What if keeper saves penalty, but the penalty taker scores the rebound. Would you allow that to count as a goal?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

What if keeper saves penalty, but the penalty taker scores the rebound. Would you allow that to count as a goal?

The golden boot this year has been a proper talented golden boot

I mean no smashing the last place group stage to boost your stats , this was a proper goal scoring treat , with a hat trick against the current world champs to boot

That's amazing when you think about it

 

[Swango1980]

The golden boot this year has been a proper talented golden boot

I mean no smashing the last place group stage to boost your stats , this was a proper goal scoring treat , with a hat trick against the current world champs to boot

That's amazing when you think about it

I'm glad someone doesn't think it was tarnished as it included penalties

 

[Tashyboy]

I'm glad someone doesn't think it was tarnished as it included penalties

Two pens and a tap in ?