2022 World Cup.

Swango1980 said:
This is the narrative you are writing in your own head though. You have no idea that he wanted to take the final penalty purely for the glory. You have no idea that the coach, and his team mates stood aside and agreed he should have the glory. It is only a narrative that sounds nice when people don't particularly like a player, and sounds great in hindsight.

For all you know, the team agreed to have their best penalty taker last. Not for the glory, but because they felt the pressure could be at it's most at that point. After all, the first penalty is never do or die, but the 5th penalty often is.

We have seen countless times the best penalty taker go last. Only if that team lose, it is criticised. Funnily enough, never is if that team win.

It is funny, and sort of sad, how we all love to rip people to pieces for the most trivial issues. It is almost like we take more pleasure in the pain of the Brazilians, than the pleasure we get from the joy of the Croatians
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Theres absolutely no doubt Neymar wanted the glory that he hoped would come with the final spot kick. His entire career is one giant attention seeking exercise. It's a shame as he's without doubt the most naturally talented player over the last decade, bar Messi and Ronaldo. The move to PSG coupled with his ego growing out of control has seen him literally waste the peak years of his career doing nothing bar the odd decent performance in the CL when he makes an effort.

I don't think many on here are huge Croatia fans either as they're a pretty boring and robotic side. Modric is the only one you'd pay to watch as he's a Rolls Royce.
 
4LEX said:
Theres absolutely no doubt Neymar wanted the glory that he hoped would come with the final spot kick. His entire career is one giant attention seeking exercise. It's a shame as he's without doubt the most naturally talented player over the last decade, bar Messi and Ronaldo. The move to PSG coupled with his ego growing out of control has seen him literally waste the peak years of his career doing nothing bar the odd decent performance in the CL when he makes an effort.

I don't think many on here are huge Croatia fans either as they're a pretty boring and robotic side. Modric is the only one you'd pay to watch as he's a Rolls Royce.
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I have no doubt he would have loved the glory. I have no doubt that ANY player going last would love the glory. We all would.

However, there is plenty of doubt that the very reason he was going last was purely so he could have the glory, even if it was felt that was worse for the team.
 
You can actually change the order of the kickers or the kickers during the shoot out - theres no official list handed to the ref like a starting line up. So seeing what was unfolding I've no idea why he didn't step up. Either saving it for the glory one later down the line or bottled it.
 
Swango1980 said:
I have no doubt he would have loved the glory. I have no doubt that ANY player going last would love the glory. We all would.

However, there is plenty of doubt that the very reason he was going last was purely so he could have the glory, even if it was felt that was worse for the team.
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In hindsight though there’s always a chance you might not get to your fifth taker.
I think your right there is enormous pressure on 4&5th takers.
 
Wife in the last 2 minutes…

“So what happens to the teams that win these games”…

“Is that Messi, is he from Argentina?”…

And she wonders why I’m going to the pub to watch it with my mates tomorrow night ?
 
clubchamp98 said:
In hindsight though there’s always a chance you might not get to your fifth taker.
I think your right there is enormous pressure on 4&5th takers.
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Swings and roundabouts. Best penalty taker goes first, your 5th penalty taker could be Maguire (from England's perspective). Even if the best guy goes first, if he misses (which happens), does that really unnerve the rest of the side? And if he scores, I'd imagine most would be just as nervous, even if someone else had gone first?

The key thing would be deciding the order amongst the team. Agreeing that. It'll depend how good everyone is, and what their temperament is like.

If I had to take a penalty, knowing others are better than me, I would personally prefer to go first. I'd be nervous, but I would be 10 times more nervous taking the last one, not wanting to be the duffer who messes it up for everyone who scored before me.
 
Slime said:
He's their regular penalty taker, he should have taken the 1st one, no doubt.
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I agree.
Personally I’d have best penalty taker 1st.
2nd best 2nd & so on.
But for some reason they don’t always do it like that.
Maybe they over think it.
To say he bottled it is ridiculous.
It could be an ego thing tho.
 
Pin-seeker said:
I agree.
Personally I’d have best penalty taker 1st.
2nd best 2nd & so on.
But for some reason they don’t always do it like that.
Maybe they over think it.
To say he bottled it is ridiculous.
It could be an ego thing tho.
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Prob cuz when it gets down to 5th it becomes sudden death most time so u need your top dog

If u go first and miss you can be bailed out
 
Pin-seeker said:
Maybe,but a lot of the time you see best go 1st & 5th.
Would you be so critical if you didn’t dislike him so much? ?‍♂️
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It a funny one. In the African Cup of Nations final, if I remember rightly, Mane went last for Senegal and Salah was due to go last for Egypt. Mane got the winner, Salah never got chance to take his.

I wonder if the same people were so quick to say the reason for this was because both players were a bunch of glory hunters!? Or, maybe it is just a lazy argument when they simply don't like a player, but it is a perfectly reasonable when they like the player?
 
Swango1980 said:
This is the narrative you are writing in your own head though. You have no idea that he wanted to take the final penalty purely for the glory. You have no idea that the coach, and his team mates stood aside and agreed he should have the glory. It is only a narrative that sounds nice when people don't particularly like a player, and sounds great in hindsight.

For all you know, the team agreed to have their best penalty taker last. Not for the glory, but because they felt the pressure could be at it's most at that point. After all, the first penalty is never do or die, but the 5th penalty often is.

We have seen countless times the best penalty taker go last. Only if that team lose, it is criticised. Funnily enough, never is if that team win.

It is funny, and sort of sad, how we all love to rip people to pieces for the most trivial issues. It is almost like we take more pleasure in the pain of the Brazilians, than the pleasure we get from the joy of the Croatians
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We don’t know. They don’t actually think Neymar was the 5th taker - or so I’ve read on Twitter - so what’s your argument now?

I do take more pleasure at the pain of the Brazilians at the World Cup. What’s wrong with that? They’ve won it 5 times……. That’s enough for a long while
 
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