2022 World Cup.

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is it just me, or are the goal celebrations in this world cup becoming more time consuming and more irritating as the competion progresses??

Loving Mbappe’s. Just so cool and understated, delivered with a great smile as he knows he’s brilliant.?

 

[ColchesterFC]

My favourite moment in the Brazil v South Korea game was when the Brazil defender went down near the touchline in apparent agony and started rolling around. The Korean got the ball and took a quick throw in, at which point the Brazilian jumped to his feet and sprinted back to try to win the ball.

 

[Swango1980]

I may be ima

I may be imagining it but since in this comp time is being added for any and every delay have players started getting up quicker and not rolling around quite as much…maybe the managers have realised that the accumulation of minutes that can end up being added at the end of each half is a not a great thing - they’d rather not risk losing a lead they might have than be chasing a goal.

I like this about the World Cup. Goes back to what we were all saying months ago about time wasting. At the time, I would be happy if the ref added double the time that was apparently wasted. Not gone that far, but the fact some games up to 10 mins or more have been added, it has definitely given time wasters a kick up the backside

 

[clubchamp98]

Not sure if it is by the letter of the law.
But it’s very harsh imo.
How can the defender avoid that from happening?
He’d already pulled the trigger when Richarlisan stuck his leg there.

Richarlason got the ball, the defender kicked him . Simple as that.
But I don’t think it was enough to put him down hence it’s a dive.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Richarlason got the ball, the defender kicked him . Simple as that.
But I don’t think it was enough to put him down hence it’s a dive.

Ok mate chill out,difference of opinion ??

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600066036866420736

 

[Orikoru]

Aluko

“He has scored 19 goals in 40 matches , you do the math , that’s a goal a game pretty much”

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1599859622390558720

Only thing missing from this clip is we needed to see Keane and Souness' faces afterwards. They would have been a picture.

 

[Orikoru]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600066036866420736

For me the big problem is - yes a lot of people hound the women pundits because they're sexist. But on the other hand - the vast majority of the female pundits they've got are genuinely rubbish, so as a counter-argument there's no leg to stand on. You sort of pin your flag on Alex Scott and that's all - rest of them are useless.

 

[Pin-seeker]

For me the big problem is - yes a lot of people hound the women pundits because they're sexist. But on the other hand - the vast majority of the female pundits they've got are genuinely rubbish, so as a counter-argument there's no leg to stand on. You sort of pin your flag on Alex Scott and that's all - rest of them are useless.

Big Laura Woods fan ?‍

 

[Orikoru]

Big Laura Woods fan ?‍

So am I. She's not a pundit though she's a presenter. I was just talking about the pundits, i.e. the ex-players who are supposedly there for their knowledge and ability to express it.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Only thing missing from this clip is we needed to see Keane and Souness' faces afterwards. They would have been a picture.

Souness spouts some absolute nonsense himself. I’m struggling to see why he’s still on the TV as a pundit.

 

[Pin-seeker]

So am I. She's not a pundit though she's a presenter. I was just talking about the pundits, i.e. the ex-players who are supposedly there for their knowledge and ability to express it.

Let’s be honest mate there’s more bad ones than good,regardless of sex.
Micah Richards is terrible,but he is funny.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Are we going to have this discussion until the end of time? Footballers go down, and they often go down easily to highlight the foul to ref. It has happened for decades, can we not just take it as a given?

yes it has happened for decades, but nowhere near as frequently as nowadays.
And, more importantly, in those faraway decades, the referees recognised it for what it is - a con, designed to get a free kick from a coming together in a contact sport.
The referees years ago were prepared to make judgements as to whether the coming together was deliberate to commit a foul, or a natural part of the game . Intent , or lack of it,was also judged, rightly.
But now , imo, the referees have little interest in decision making, and aren’t prepared to judge.
And so the result is, the laws begin to change to eliminate the requirement to decide between intent and accident. And spectators , such as yourself accepting this, see play acting and exaggerated antics as the norm. And thus, good football…………my ar…
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[Swinglowandslow]

They should make a rule that the game is restarted 1 minute after the goal is given (VAR permitting), if the team that scored are still messing around celebrating then it is their look out

yea, like that. Minute is too long though, 30 secs will do.
Love to see a team kick off and half the opposition still dancing around a corner flag somewhere. Then, a quick goal………
But please let the camera show the coach and his reaction to the goal scored against him in these circumstances ??

 

[Swinglowandslow]

It is just bad luck on the defenders part. But, on the strikers part, it is well played. They just managed to get in there and nick the ball. There are plenty of times a player genuinely tries, and thinks, they will win the ball, but end up making a foul as they get there second.

If you are going to take a big swing to kick ball out of box, best to be aware of what is behind you. If not, taking a bit of a risk, might be best to take a small swing, or get ball under control with 1st touch, shielding it from any opponent that might be behind.

This appears a classic example of the law changing to accommodate innocent contacts as a foul. If you are right that this was a foul.
The defender has the ball in his possession and is in the process of kicking the ball.
At no point was he making any effort to obtain possession, or take possession from another who already had it.
No action of his was proactive in committing a foul. Someone stuck a foot in when a player was legitimately playing the ball.
Not a foul in my book, nor in any 20th Century decade.
If it is now, shows how the game has deteriorated.

 

[Imurg]

My favourite moment in the Brazil v South Korea game was when the Brazil defender went down near the touchline in apparent agony and started rolling around. The Korean got the ball and took a quick throw in, at which point the Brazilian jumped to his feet and sprinted back to try to win the ball.

One wonders why, if you can still get a yellow card for merely taking your shirt off, these cons are not dealt with more severely.
It's blatant cheating but you see it 10 to 20 times in every game and nothing happens....

 

[Steve Wilkes]

yea, like that. Minute is too long though, 30 secs will do.
Love to see a team kick off and half the opposition still dancing around a corner flag somewhere. Then, a quick goal………
But please let the camera show the coach and his reaction to the goal scored against him in these circumstances ??

To be fair I don't mind teams celebrating a goal, that's the beauty of football, scoring a goal as well a brilliant bit of defending, but we are now at the stage of seeing a goal given for a tap of ankles in a far corner of the box with play going nowhere.

 

[Swango1980]

yes it has happened for decades, but nowhere near as frequently as nowadays.
And, more importantly, in those faraway decades, the referees recognised it for what it is - a con, designed to get a free kick from a coming together in a contact sport.
The referees years ago were prepared to make judgements as to whether the coming together was deliberate to commit a foul, or a natural part of the game . Intent , or lack of it,was also judged, rightly.
But now , imo, the referees have little interest in decision making, and aren’t prepared to judge.
And so the result is, the laws begin to change to eliminate the requirement to decide between intent and accident. And spectators , such as yourself accepting this, see play acting and exaggerated antics as the norm. And thus, good football…………my ar…
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It is easy to get nostalgic about the good old days, but in reality, they may not have been the good old days at all? I suspect the game has continued to grow and grow compared to where it was decades ago. It certainly has not declined.

People may whine when a foul goes the way they do not want it to be given. Yet, the same people will be crying for a foul when it favours the team they want to win. The defender kicked Richarlison, not the ball, and so it is a foul. Easy decision.

Football is infuriating enough when there is inconsistency in the awarding of free kicks. You are basically asking for more subjectivity, where the referee must decide what contact is enough to send a player down. A player running at speed can easily get knocked over by the slightest of touches (or even no touch if they take avoiding action), simply depending on where their centre of gravity is and the momentum they are running in. Yet, the same player might easily be able to stay on their feet after a huge big whack to the back of the leg.

The game is probably better now because at least referees are more likely to give a foul when a player kicks the player and not the ball. It might also mean that our best footballers are injury free and fit to play more often (whereas in the good old days, they may have been missing more, or forced to play with bigger injuries and only able to play to a fraction of their potential).

Just looking at the reverse of last nights decision. Had Richarlison wound up for a big shot, but the defender nipped in and cleared the ball, resulting in Richarlison kicking the defender instead of the ball, a free kick would most likely be given to the defender. This would not be a shocking decision.

 

[clubchamp98]

yes it has happened for decades, but nowhere near as frequently as nowadays.
And, more importantly, in those faraway decades, the referees recognised it for what it is - a con, designed to get a free kick from a coming together in a contact sport.
The referees years ago were prepared to make judgements as to whether the coming together was deliberate to commit a foul, or a natural part of the game . Intent , or lack of it,was also judged, rightly.
But now , imo, the referees have little interest in decision making, and aren’t prepared to judge.
And so the result is, the laws begin to change to eliminate the requirement to decide between intent and accident. And spectators , such as yourself accepting this, see play acting and exaggerated antics as the norm. And thus, good football…………my ar…
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I agree with this.
It’s the consistency for me.
The ref in the England Senegal match would not have given that imo.

 

[clubchamp98]

For me the big problem is - yes a lot of people hound the women pundits because they're sexist. But on the other hand - the vast majority of the female pundits they've got are genuinely rubbish, so as a counter-argument there's no leg to stand on. You sort of pin your flag on Alex Scott and that's all - rest of them are useless.

Heard one of the Women say “ at this level”
But none of them have played at this level.
We can compare the Womens game to the Mens but it just isn’t the same level.