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To be fair there are those who think Messi isn't all that because he hasn't played in the prem let alone won it ?
2022 World Cup.
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To be fair there are those who think Messi isn't all that because he hasn't played in the prem let alone won it ?
Orikoru
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Denmark were absolutely abysmal in this competition and look at have a major rebuild ahead. Eriksen is sadly not the player he was, and they had no strikers nor decent wingers to create anything. Deservedly last in the group.
Swango1980
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I think it is one of those lazy arguments, when people are trying to compare the ability of certain players. Even pundits (ex footballers, so apparently they know everything as they've played the game) do it. How often will they dismiss a player because they haven't won a World Cup, for example whereas another player they are comparing to has? They try and use that to make a point, but will blissfully ignore the fact players like George Best, Platini, Cruyff, C Ronaldo, Messi etc have never won a World Cup, while Kleberson has won it
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Denmark were only good in the euros because they were playing for Ericson.. turns out now he is fully well and fine their back to awful
nickjdavis
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Looking forward to the conclusion of Group C tonight....all four teams can qualify, three of them can top the group.
Everything up for grabs...who will grasp glory?
Everything up for grabs...who will grasp glory?
clubchamp98
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Yes it does we played our best football on the front foot.So the England team should waste their energy unnecessarily just to be (what you consider) entertaining ? That makes sense ?
But if you like watching the CBs just passing to each other you crack on.
CountLippe
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It can be a lazy argument, especially at international level, however the point being made is that Henderson has captained a side to win the Premier League, European Cup, WCC, Euro Super Cup, FA Cup and League cup. That's a hell of a lot of winning experience of which he's played a significant part. Not many (if any) of the England squad can match that.
clubchamp98
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Jeez I hope your right two great players and we need them.
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Think would transform your midfield again to really push citeh
Swinglowandslow
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So the England team should waste their energy unnecessarily just to be (what you consider) entertaining ? That makes sense ?
no, they should use their energy to try to score , or enable others to have the chance to score, and thus win. Passing sideways because it’s easy and takes away responsibility is wasting energy and inviting mistakes -and then the whole purpose of being there is wasted.
If you aren’t good enough to pass the ball forward, at that level, you shouldn’t be there.
And that includes the manager(s) who instruct such tactics.
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Surely it about context
We aren’t talking about someone winning something as a one off and no one has suggested such and such is better than someone else because they won x y and Z
What Henderson has done over the last 5 years is win everything going at a club level whilst being ever present and captain - it was used to highlight his importance at club level when someone called him “bang average” - and also showing that when it’s counted Henderson has been there and done it over a number of seasons and not just a one off
Also don’t think anyone compared the relative abilities of each player under discussion more what each player can bring to a team and in Henderson case it’s more than just “shouting a lot” - but Henderson will be one of those players that will never get the full credit that his career deserves and plenty of oppo fans will prob not understand or see what he gives for a team.
Swango1980
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Yet winning experience counts for nothing when some claim Christiano Ronaldo was the problem at United last season, and some even claim he shouldn't be in the Portuguese squad this World Cup.
I'd imagine many might feel Henderson was not instrumental in that success. Yes, he played a part and he does a job. However, I'd imagine Klopp could have had many many other midfielders in his place, and had similar success. The major drivers of the success in that side were the front 3, solid spine at the back and full backs who added plenty to attack. If Liverpool were to lose a player from the successful side, then I am sure they'd rather have lost Henderson than many of the other guys.
Tashyboy
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I was on about this to Missis T earlier on when a forummer mentioned Stones ( and others) spent all night knocking the ball sideways. He wasn’t wrong in saying that, But there in lies a massive problem for me. Who comes from the midfield to pick up the ball and lay it off. To create, to make the link between defence and midfield, usually two of the midfielders picked are defensive mids. Known more for stopping play rather than create. The lack of that creative midfielder means we struggle to play on the front front.
On another note, it is young Bradley Tashys 10th birthday next week. Missis Tash has booked us to go and see a Micheal Jackson Tribute act on Sunday. He loves Jacko. It Starts at 7.30.
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pokerjoke
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Albeit having a good season for Utd
I think their squad overall was very poor
clubchamp98
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That’s not great loyalty is it ?We gave Lloris the captaincy years ago in his prime as a bid to stop him leaving the club I believe. And you don't really strip your captain of the armband unless you're trying to make a point. I'm not a big fan of keepers as captains myself, and it's clear Kane is the proxy captain for the guys who are out on pitch! And if we replace Hugo and Kane hasn't left yet then he obviously will be.
Happy to leave Mount out, I'm just not sure why he's allergic to playing Foden as the number 10. He moaned and said it's because he doesn't play there for his club, yet he happily plays Trippier left back, and plays Maguire who sits on the bench for his club.Let's face it, when we play France he'll go back to 5 at the back plus Rice & Henderson holding anyway.
Got to give him the armband to make him stay.
Rlburnside
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That’s never a penalty against Messi
clubchamp98
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Is that the walking football World Cup.
Rlburnside
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Justice
Imurg
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Justice...
srixon 1
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VAR is a joke. Football is becoming a laughing stock.
