2022 World Cup.

[clubchamp98]

I kind of think that is Henderson's game as well, with lots of added shouting. As I say, either or at this stage, but beyond the World Cup you'd want to see Henderson phased out of course and Phillips to do that role longer term.

One of Henderson’s biggest things is he does shout a lot but the other players do listen.
That’s why we won the ball high up the pitch.
The thing a lot of people criticise about him is he does play a lot of sideways and backward balls.
That depends on the movement in front of him.
But ball retention in the modern game is everything.
That’s why the CBs have more touches than anyone else now.

 

[clubchamp98]

I’m struggling to understand why people want England to be pressing so much in games like these. It’s like listening to parents at an u10 game who don’t really understand what they are watching.

We were cruising through the game, and group so why waste energy?

Well it is supposed to be entertainment that’s why people pay to watch.

 

[sunshine]

Very professional performance from England last night, great work from Southgate.

England cruised through the first half, controlled the game, risk free football. They remained patient, knowing Wales would tire, then stepped up a gear at the start of the 2nd half, won the game and went back into cruise control mode.

Thoroughly professional group stage. Well planned and executed. If we'd nicked a goal against USA (we had a couple of chances) everyone would be chanting it's coming home already.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Well it is supposed to be entertainment that’s why people pay to watch.

So the England team should waste their energy unnecessarily just to be (what you consider) entertaining ? That makes sense ?‍

 

[Pin-seeker]

Henderson did ok against a side that wouldn’t get out of the championship
I certainly wouldn’t be starting him against better opposition.
Clapping a lot isn’t enough in those games.

 

[HeftyHacker]

So the England team should waste their energy unnecessarily just to be (what you consider) entertaining ? That makes sense ?‍

The reason we were cruising was because of those high presses and starving Wales of time and space. By backing off you let them string together a few passes and move up the pitch.

You also force mistakes further up the pitch and we have the ability to punish them.

I'm still not 100% convinced in our defence so if a high press keeps the opposition ball further up the pitch then I'm all for it.

We actually have really good depth so I dont mind the press knowing that we won't lose much once the subs some come on to replace tired legs.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Unless I’m mistaken, but the second goal came about through our pressing high up the pitch.
So why wouldn’t we press more?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I just see Henderson as quite a limited player. He has his uses, but that would be against stronger teams to make us more disciplined in the middle next to Rice. I couldn't see the point of bringing him in against Wales. Ultimately it's not cost us anything so whatever. He's definitely good at shouting, that seems to be his main attribute.

It's worrying when a bang Average player like him gets more caps than Paul scholes

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Unless I’m mistaken, but the second goal came about through our pressing high up the pitch.
So why wouldn’t we press more?

Press too much u get caught out sometimes , it's not always the way
Mix it up

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Unless I’m mistaken, but the second goal came about through our pressing high up the pitch.
So why wouldn’t we press more?

Kind of yes. But you can’t do it for 90 minutes in that heat.

And it’s unnecessary against teams like Wales. Play a high block, be patient, wait for your chances and use as little energy as possible.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Kind of yes. But you can’t do it for 90 minutes in that heat.

And it’s unnecessary against teams like Wales. Play a high block, be patient, wait for your chances and use as little energy as possible.

Andros Townsend was co commentator in one of the earlier games. He was saying that heat is not an issue for the players, stadiums are pumping out cold air through the aircon, but humidity in the grounds definitely is. That is the issue for this world cup, and why players can't run flat out constantly. Thank you Andros

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's worrying when a bang Average player like him gets more caps than Paul scholes

Maybe it’s because he isn’t “bang average” ?‍

Certainly not seen as bang average by a world class manager who has him ever present when winning trophies

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Maybe it’s because he isn’t “bang average” ?‍

Certainly not seen as bang average by a world class manager who has him ever present when winning trophies

Every team needs a waterboy.

 

[Reemul]

Very professional performance from England last night, great work from Southgate.

England cruised through the first half, controlled the game, risk free football. They remained patient, knowing Wales would tire, then stepped up a gear at the start of the 2nd half, won the game and went back into cruise control mode.

Thoroughly professional group stage. Well planned and executed. If we'd nicked a goal against USA (we had a couple of chances) everyone would be chanting it's coming home already.

You know Wales lost 2-0 to Iran, you make it like we actually played someone, if you can't step it up and do the business against the USA or Wales what chance do you have against decent team

 

[Bdill93]

Every team needs a waterboy.

That's Maddisons role. Id like to see Hendo in every KO game - we need the leadership in the middle of the park.

 

[Rlburnside]

Maybe you just don’t see what he brings to the team - it’s not just about getting as many young skillful players onto the pitch

Henderson last night provided what he does for Liverpool over the last 4 seasons - tempo , pressing , energy , control , leadership , drive - that was all missing against USA

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...n=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

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Hendo [Henderson] brings that intensity every time he plays, and when he gives you that confidence to go and press, I can go and push on and Dec [Declan Rice] can be aggressive.

"We won a lot of balls really high up the pitch which was key to us retaining the pressure and keeping them”

You will always need some control and experience in the middle

I would agree that Henderson has been very good for Liverpool as you say over the last 3/4 that’s partly my point his best days are behind him.

No matter what you say his first half performance wasn’t that good plus we were playing a very poor team.

So if you want him in the team who would you leave out in his position? Philips has played well for England and if GS wants to play either alongside Rice as I suspect he will imo Philips if fit would be the better choice.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That's Maddisons role. Id like to see Hendo in every KO game - we need the leadership in the middle of the park.

Rice will be future England captain , he already shouts a lot at the players

You don't need Henderson taking up a role that Bellingham can do.

Let's not hold back talent to have a 32 year old in the team who tbh should have retired from England duty before this world cup

 

[Bdill93]

Rice will be future England captain , he already shouts a lot at the players

You don't need Henderson taking up a role that Bellingham can do.

Let's not hold back talent to have a 32 year old in the team who tbh should have retired from England duty before this world cup

Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Hendo has won a prem and a champions league at the heart of one of the two best english teams over the last 5 years. Rice and Bellingham have won nothing. There something to be said about getting it over the line.

Jude and Rice are both insane talents - Jude probably more so - but I trust hendo to do the right thing 90% of the time and lead by example - do not undervalue experience in World Cups.

Id start Bellingham, he's got it all and looks the part this world cup, Id happily see Rice dropped for Hendo though.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Hendo has won a prem and a champions league at the heart of one of the two best english teams over the last 5 years. Rice and Bellingham have won nothing. There something to be said about getting it over the line.

Jude and Rice are both insane talents - Jude probably more so - but I trust hendo to do the right thing 90% of the time and lead by example - do not undervalue experience in World Cups.

Id start Bellingham, he's got it all and looks the part this world cup, Id happily see Rice dropped for Hendo though.

Rice won't be dropped, he is the heart of the England midfield. Litterally keeps the defence protected

That rashford chance from a kane through ball came all from rice cutting out the ball and playing it to kane

Prob one of the best CDM in world football.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Hendo has won a prem and a champions league at the heart of one of the two best english teams over the last 5 years. Rice and Bellingham have won nothing. There something to be said about getting it over the line.

Jude and Rice are both insane talents - Jude probably more so - but I trust hendo to do the right thing 90% of the time and lead by example - do not undervalue experience in World Cups.

Id start Bellingham, he's got it all and looks the part this world cup, Id happily see Rice dropped for Hendo though.

Will also add "winners" doesn't mean anything when it comes for England

Lamps
Gerrard
Beckham
Rio
Terry

So many more

All proper winners

Couldn't for England

It's time to put that out of our minds and focus on actual talents to get us accross the line

It's been great to see a west ham midfield in the England team. We are rubbish but shows if your good enough

Parker didn't play enough for England because he played for likes of Newcastle, west ham, spurs where as Barry did and he was far better than Barry