2022 World Cup.

[Rlburnside]

Couldn't watch match live, but just finished now on Sky+

First half was decent, in terms on controlling the game. Second have was clinical.

Regardless, pretty sure it will be Saka, Sterling and Mount for however many games England have remaining at World Cup.

Wales have been very much outclassed at this World Cup. Sad to see the decline of Bale, in his day he was electric.

It’s going to be interesting to see who GS picks for the next game, there’s a few players now that have played well and deserve to start.

I think Saka will be one to start but I can’t see Mount and Sterling starting now.

 

[Golfmmad]

It always amazes me that most folk on here expect England to play worldly exciting football in every game. It just ain't gonna happen especially in tournament football.

Perhaps not, but do you not think that the pressing faster game as played by the successful PL teams and now played by Spain, Italy(even though not at the WC) and the other lesser teams in this WC who have got a surprise result is something that just perhaps we should be playing?

Yes I do, which we did today, especially so in the 2nd half.
But let's not forget that our opponents press us as well, as USA did to good effect.
A lot of criticism has been directed at England's defensive play, but it was the strongest part of our game against USA, with Maguire MOM.
When teams press us its not always easy to find our midfielders and attacking players, so we have to be patient for the chances to come, rather than being gung ho?

 

[Rlburnside]

We won't see this much attacking but I'd like to see

Pickford

Tripper stones maigure Shaw

Rice Bellingham

Saka foden rashford

Kane

That’s the 11 I’d like to see as well ?

 

[JRS7]

Great win England. Next game unchanged side (but Rashford on the right and Foden left from the start). Trippier in for Walker is an option (set pieces). Come on England! Keep going hard!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I agree Kane is not a captain that shouts and drives the team, the influence of captains has largely gone in modern day football.

With the young talent in our squad I would rather see other players in before Henderson who let’s face it his best days are gone.

From all the building in the press I think that rice is being groomed as future England captain once kane retires from international

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Struggling to find many negatives looking back at the group stages

We topped the group

Only failed to beat the USA. Who made themsleves a tough to beat side , runners up of the group

Scored 9 goals across 3 games

Only let in 2 goals (one of which a dodgy pen)

Have seen some very attractive football from the team and solid defensive work

Seen a lot of the squad aswell, I know we cry out for this player and that player but Gareth has used his subs and we haven't just seen the same players

I fancy us to beat Senegal and then the quarters will be a true test (if it is as it stands France Vs the argies)

 

[Rlburnside]

Struggling to find many negatives looking back at the group stages

We topped the group

Only failed to beat the USA. Who made themsleves a tough to beat side , runners up of the group

Scored 9 goals across 3 games

Only let in 2 goals (one of which a dodgy pen)

Have seen some very attractive football from the team and solid defensive work

Seen a lot of the squad aswell, I know we cry out for this player and that player but Gareth has used his subs and we haven't just seen the same players

I fancy us to beat Senegal and then the quarters will be a true test (if it is as it stands France Vs the argies)

I’ve not got your confidence I’m afraid, we did play some good football in the games against Iran and Wales but they are very poor sides.

It looks good topping the group and scoring 9 goals, but let’s not forget the performance against the USA a young fit side that never sat back against us, it was awful.

We won’t get easy games in the knockout stages and my fear is we will more negative in our tactics and slow games down which doesn’t suit the way we play best.

Now if GS selected the team you suggested I would be a lot more confident ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He wasn’t that good in the first half some poor touches and passes if we’re going to progress in this tournament we need more skillful younger players in the side.

Maybe you just don’t see what he brings to the team - it’s not just about getting as many young skillful players onto the pitch

Henderson last night provided what he does for Liverpool over the last 4 seasons - tempo , pressing , energy , control , leadership , drive - that was all missing against USA

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...n=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

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Hendo [Henderson] brings that intensity every time he plays, and when he gives you that confidence to go and press, I can go and push on and Dec [Declan Rice] can be aggressive.

"We won a lot of balls really high up the pitch which was key to us retaining the pressure and keeping them”

You will always need some control and experience in the middle

 

[Beezerk]

Henderson last night, awful, so many unnecessarily forced and wayward passes when he had much easier/smarter options, he can shout, drive and press all he wants but if his quality with the ball isn't there, which it isn't, then he shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup IMO. I'd argue most football fans can see that as well, only the blinkered don't.

Anyway, can't wait for Sunday, hopefully my boss is kind and I have a local job on Monday

 

[Orikoru]

Henderson last night, awful, so many unnecessarily forced and wayward passes when he had much easier/smarter options, he can shout, drive and press all he wants but if his quality with the ball isn't there, which it isn't, then he shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup IMO. I'd argue most football fans can see that as well, only the blinkered don't.

Anyway, can't wait for Sunday, hopefully my boss is kind and I have a local job on Monday

I just see Henderson as quite a limited player. He has his uses, but that would be against stronger teams to make us more disciplined in the middle next to Rice. I couldn't see the point of bringing him in against Wales. Ultimately it's not cost us anything so whatever. He's definitely good at shouting, that seems to be his main attribute.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Congratulations England; Commiserations Wales. Thought England were OK…overall average at best as poor in 1st half, much better outcome in 2nd as Wales remained poor and England improved just enough to take advantage.

For next games…I’m thinking England have plenty striker options much better than including a sluggish looking Kane, especially as Henderson in midfield seemed to get himself really involved and did a good leadership job. Thought Foden did look good, and would have Trippier back in for Walker…who did OK but not really stretched and Trippier’s dead ball delivery seems to almost always be good.

So…pleased for my Mrs and kids that England are through group stage…but so far I’ve not got enthusiastic enough about England’s play so go a bit Engerlaaand - albeit that against Iran looked good (how good they actually were though…). Maybe the Senegal game will fire my enthusiasm, and then subsequently against a traditional major nation I will be feeling it.

it’s currently ?? but I’m not yet ?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I’m struggling to understand why people want England to be pressing so much in games like these. It’s like listening to parents at an u10 game who don’t really understand what they are watching.

We were cruising through the game, and group so why waste energy?

 

[sunshine]

Does Southgate do wake up calls? Think I’ve said before, he’s like the scene from Black Adder Goes Forth, we’ll try the same thing over and over because the enemy won’t expect that ?

er no. Obviously you don't watch any international football.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I just see Henderson as quite a limited player. He has his uses, but that would be against stronger teams to make us more disciplined in the middle next to Rice. I couldn't see the point of bringing him in against Wales. Ultimately it's not cost us anything so whatever. He's definitely good at shouting, that seems to be his main attribute.

I think if Philips is fit then Henderson doesn't get near the team. He and Rice are the solid two in the middle. Philips getting 20 minutes or so yesterday was very important, minutes in the tank.

 

[Orikoru]

I think if Philips is fit then Henderson doesn't get near the team. He and Rice are the solid two in the middle. Philips getting 20 minutes or so yesterday was very important, minutes in the tank.

Must admit that while Phillips I guess is the natural successor to Henderson in terms of role, I've not seen enough of him to say he's definitely an upgrade. Rice is a class above them both but it wouldn't really matter to me who plays with him out of Henderson or Phillips.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I just see Henderson as quite a limited player. He has his uses, but that would be against stronger teams to make us more disciplined in the middle next to Rice. I couldn't see the point of bringing him in against Wales. Ultimately it's not cost us anything so whatever. He's definitely good at shouting, that seems to be his main attribute.

So his main attribute is to shout a lot ?

A player who has been near ever present for a team that’s won the lot over the last 4 seasons playing for one of the best managers in the world - and you think his main attribute is to shout ???

 

[Orikoru]

So his main attribute is to shout a lot ?

A player who has been near ever present for a team that’s won the lot over the last 4 seasons playing for one of the best managers in the world - and you think his main attribute is to shout ???

Are you telling me he doesn't shout a lot? Because that would be an outright lie.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Must admit that while Phillips I guess is the natural successor to Henderson in terms of role, I've not seen enough of him to say he's definitely an upgrade. Rice is a class above them both but it wouldn't really matter to me who plays with him out of Henderson or Phillips.

I thought Philips and Rice were immense in the last Euro's. Philips gets everywhere in the middle of the pitch, harassing the opposition, being available to take the ball from the back 4. He is a real dynamo. Rice might look smoother but Philips is a player I'd love at my club, and am happy to see start for England.

 

[Orikoru]

I thought Philips and Rice were immense in the last Euro's. Philips gets everywhere in the middle of the pitch, harassing the opposition, being available to take the ball from the back 4. He is a real dynamo. Rice might look smoother but Philips is a player I'd love at my club, and am happy to see start for England.

I kind of think that is Henderson's game as well, with lots of added shouting. As I say, either or at this stage, but beyond the World Cup you'd want to see Henderson phased out of course and Phillips to do that role longer term.

 

[sunshine]

I’m struggling to understand why people want England to be pressing so much in games like these. It’s like listening to parents at an u10 game who don’t really understand what they are watching.

We were cruising through the game, and group so why waste energy?

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