2022 World Cup.

[Deleted member 15344]

The forever underrated Giroud, one helluva a career and haul of trophies some could only dream of including World Cup (and could soon be 2), Nations League, Champions League, Europa League, Italian League, French League, FA Cup

That was sort of the point I was trying to make badly

Giroud will never be called world class and people won’t see him as 20 goal a season player etc but he always provides the goods for the team he is playing for and is pivotal to winning trophies for those teams.

 

[clubchamp98]

Kane will still be around at the next world cup, he'll only be 33. Younger than Benzema, Lewandowski & Messi are now.

Willl his ankles take it though.
Another four years of PL footy I don’t think they will.

 

[Tashyboy]

It is the best. The bottom teams in our league would beat the bottom teams in all the other leagues. The bottom teams in France and Spain are whipping boys for the big teams.

the big difference there is that France and Spain and Germany and Italy have won Majors whilst the best league in the world have not.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

The forever underrated Giroud, one helluva a career and haul of trophies some could only dream of including World Cup (and could soon be 2), Nations League, Champions League, Europa League, Italian League, French League, FA Cup

I loved Giroud when he was at Chelsea - just a quality player that every team needs; and more or less always comes up with an important goal.

I hope he does win another World Cup.

And he's great in the Cinch ads too........!!

 

[Orikoru]

That was sort of the point I was trying to make badly

Giroud will never be called world class and people won’t see him as 20 goal a season player etc but he always provides the goods for the team he is playing for and is pivotal to winning trophies for those teams.

Yes. And yet they still would have started Benzema ahead of him if he was fit, because he's a better player. England don't have a Giroud quality player waiting to take Kane's place though.

 

[fundy]

I loved Giroud when he was at Chelsea - just a quality player that every team needs; and more or less always comes up with an important goal.

I hope he does win another World Cup.

And he's great in the Cinch ads too........!!

Was gutted when he left us, completely compounded by him joining your lot

I assume its his reality twin doing the ads?

 

[Orikoru]

the big difference there is that France and Spain and Germany and Italy have won Majors whilst the best league in the world have not.

That's part of the problem. Players from all over the world want to come and play in our league, relegating some of the English players to sit on benches and make up home grown quotas. (As a City fan you'll know all about that.)

Edit because I forgot: it's only in the last couple of years we're finally seeing players like Sancho, Bellingham, Tomori go and try their luck abroad.

 

[fundy]

Yes. And yet they still would have started Benzema ahead of him if he was fit, because he's a better player. England don't have a Giroud quality player waiting to take Kane's place though.

How would we know? Kane has started pretty much every international for a number of years, even the utterly pointless ones (another huge Southgate fault). Cant be another current England striker with 10 caps to his name. Giroud as the second choice for France has over 100 and ensured Benzema not been missed at all. If Kane had got injured early on we'd have had no idea how Wilson fitted into the side as hes had no game time (nor has Abraham, Toney etc etc)

 

[Orikoru]

How would we know? Kane has started pretty much every international for a number of years, even the utterly pointless ones (another huge Southgate fault). Cant be another current England striker with 10 caps to his name. Giroud as the second choice for France has over 100 and ensured Benzema not been missed at all. If Kane had got injured early on we'd have had no idea how Wilson fitted into the side as hes had no game time (nor has Abraham, Toney etc etc)

Benzema did have an international exile for years though so not quite the same. Sturridge used to get a game, and Vardy occasionally but each of them had their issues (injuries for Sturridge and age for Vardy). On the flipside I'm not sure the worth of starting Wilson in warm-up games when you know he isn't going to start. International side gets limited time together and he wants to play the sort of time that's going to compete and get them playing together.

 

[fundy]

Benzema did have an international exile for years though so not quite the same. Sturridge used to get a game, and Vardy occasionally but each of them had their issues (injuries for Sturridge and age for Vardy). On the flipside I'm not sure the worth of starting Wilson in warm-up games when you know he isn't going to start. International side gets limited time together and he wants to play the sort of time that's going to compete and get them playing together.

Rubbish, you need to play them in international games outside of the big tournaments to see how they fit and whether they work rather than Kane insisting on playing to break goalscoring records. Same as taking Maddison having refused to look at him in a game for England in the previous few years.

Its one thing taking an up and coming kid whos come from nowhere but weve taken guys whove been at the top level for many years without taking a proper look at them in the England side despite numerous opportunities to do so (ie the Nations League)

Edit: Sturridge? What? Its more than 5 years since he played for England, (and 4 years for Vardy)

 

[nickjdavis]

Think you have missed the point -when the major tournaments is not always about having that big scoring striker

When France won the World Cup in 98 who was their main striker ?

You have named a lot of players - how many won World Cups or even Euros


.

Not always no....but more often than not it helps immensely...because if you've got someone so utterly ruthless in front of goal then that person is going to cause havoc which will help others bag their share of goals.

In '98 France's main strikers were Henry, Trezeguet with Djorkaeff and Guivarch (striker!!! ha!!!). The goals were shared around the team with defence contributing as many as midfield. Henry top scored with 3.

As for the French and German players listed....every one of them has won a major title with the following exceptions...

Papin
Wiltord (2006 world Cup Runner Up)
Benzema
Gomez (2008 European Championships Runner-Up)

The point I was making though was that England has little progression in terms of developing strikers and are pretty much always relying on one single man to get the job done (unlike France and Germany)....they get injured...who do we have in reserve? No one. and in a few years time it looks like we might not even have a "plan A striker".

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Was gutted when he left us, completely compounded by him joining your lot

I assume its his reality twin doing the ads?

Yep!

Think his transfer fee to us was a steal as well!!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Rubbish, you need to play them in international games outside of the big tournaments to see how they fit and whether they work rather than Kane insisting on playing to break goalscoring records. Same as taking Maddison having refused to look at him in a game for England in the previous few years.

Its one thing taking an up and coming kid whos come from nowhere but weve taken guys whove been at the top level for many years without taking a proper look at them in the England side despite numerous opportunities to do so (ie the Nations League)

Edit: Sturridge? What? Its more than 5 years since he played for England, (and 4 years for Vardy)

spot on - Kane plays every single time he is fit for England regardless of the opponent and the standing of the game

Southgate doesn’t have the thinking or the bottle to put him out of the line up whilst they look at others - there are plenty of players who should have been given a run out over the last 2/3 years instead of Kane in many of the friendlies or nations league games - Wilson is a perfect example , Ings, Watkins , Toney , DCL etc.

Not always no....but more often than not it helps immensely...because if you've got someone so utterly ruthless in front of goal then that person is going to cause havoc which will help others bag their share of goals.

In '98 France's main strikers were Henry, Trezeguet with Djorkaeff and Guivarch (striker!!! ha!!!). The goals were shared around the team with defence contributing as many as midfield. Henry top scored with 3.

As for the French and German players listed....every one of them has won a major title with the following exceptions...

Papin
Wiltord (2006 world Cup Runner Up)
Benzema
Gomez (2008 European Championships Runner-Up)

The point I was making though was that England has little progression in terms of developing strikers and are pretty much always relying on one single man to get the job done (unlike France and Germany)....they get injured...who do we have in reserve? No one. and in a few years time it looks like we might not even have a "plan A striker".

We don’t know who is in reserve because Southgate only ever plays Kane regardless of the game , he doesn’t allow others to show what they can do , he relies far too heavily on Kane. The best thing for England might actually be for Kane to miss out for a couple of months and see if Southgate has the ability to adjust his tactics around others

 

[Orikoru]

Rubbish, you need to play them in international games outside of the big tournaments to see how they fit and whether they work rather than Kane insisting on playing to break goalscoring records. Same as taking Maddison having refused to look at him in a game for England in the previous few years.

Its one thing taking an up and coming kid whos come from nowhere but weve taken guys whove been at the top level for many years without taking a proper look at them in the England side despite numerous opportunities to do so (ie the Nations League)

Edit: Sturridge? What? Its more than 5 years since he played for England, (and 4 years for Vardy)

Mentioned Sturridge and Vardy because they were actually good enough to rival Kane. Nobody since them has been.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I would question the best League in the world line, most hyped and shown on tv league in the world maybe, best quality it ain’t.

Which league is the best in your opinion?

 

[fundy]

Mentioned Sturridge and Vardy because they were actually good enough to rival Kane. Nobody since them has been.

Its not about rivalling him as such but about having a back up who is integrated into the side and system if Kane gets injured, or being valuable as a sub later in games, seeing how they fit into the side, whether they can step up to international football etc

Weve completely pigeon holed ourselves into Kane playing every minute of every game, even when clearly out on his feet, because we dont have another tried and tested option because hes played every game for several years, many of which he shouldve been nowhere near for the long term benefit of the squad and side

 

[Beezerk]

Mentioned Sturridge and Vardy because they were actually good enough to rival Kane. Nobody since them has been.

Sturridge? Mate you’ve lost the plot ?

 

[Orikoru]

Sturridge? Mate you’ve lost the plot ?

Don't you remember him before all the injuries started?? He would have been incredible.

 

[Beezerk]

Don't you remember him before all the injuries started?? He would have been incredible.

He was good when Suarez was carrying him, that’s about it iirc.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Sturridge? Mate you’ve lost the plot ?

At one point he was the one .. before his injuries he was class