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2022 World Cup.

They would have to get past GS mindset that big club players are better.
When it’s quite clear they are not in certain cases.

Where is this mindset? His keeper is Everton when ramsdale is arsenal

He has rice in midfield from west ham when Phillips of city on the bench

Kane of spurs , hardly a champ winning team

It's a myth now that you have to be big club to get in the team.
 
It strikes me that, in general, England fans are an incredibly negative bunch. Maybe it is mainly in forums like these, as fans like to tell the world what they feel, and it is so much better to get things off your chest by spouting negative views. But, it seems to go from normal stuff about who you think should be in a squad, in a starting 11, how we should play, etc (which all seem perfectly normal discussions), to becoming absolutely hell bent in highlighting any criticism / mistake and lambasting the players you are meant to be supporting. I wonder if other big nations are the same. Not so much after crashing out, which is bound to generate negative feedback, but whilst actually playing in the tournament?

It can't go unnoticed that, thus far, England must look impressive to other nations watching? They had one sub par game, against USA, but got a result that was very useful none the less. They have kept 3 clean sheets in 4 games, and conceded 2, both of which came when the game was already won, and one of which was a questionable penalty. They've scored 12 goals in 4 games. So, I thought I'd look at some of the positive aspects of some of the England players, mainly those that get some heavy criticism, and also those that must genuinely frighten the opponents:

Pickford: Of all England goalkeepers that I have ever seen (going back to early 90's), he seems to be best at not letting the shirt weight him down. Even if he was to make a mistake, as all goalkeepers do, I honestly don't think it would negatively impact to the same extent as it would most other keepers. Might not even phase him at all, and he'll just get on with doing what he does.

Maguire: Indeed, we all know of his struggles, and he is no Rio Ferdinand or VVD. Sadly, each time I watch him in possession, I suspect it is the expectations of the fans that negatively impact him more than complete lack of ability. He knows he'll get slagged off at any given opportunity by many England fans, even for the smallest of errors. Constant cheap shots. But, he has still done well thus far, and a good presence to have in the box when crosses are being fired in. I suspect he will only come away from this World Cup with any general credit if England win the tournament, as if they concede and go out he may well get the blame (and God forbid he actually makes a big error, as he genuinely might have to leave the country with the abuse I'd expect he'd get)

Bellingham: What can I say, he looks absolutely immense. Thankfully, he doesn't have any real critics as yet, probably because he hasn't played for Man Utd or Liverpool (or rivals of them), and most fans will be desperate he signs for them in the future.

Foden: Just another immense player, playing in a club side where he is used to very high expectations (sadly he is just at the wrong club :) ). Really lively, nimble and can create something out of nothing.

Kane: He just seems to get so much criticism, and I don't get it. Is it because he doesn't camp out in the opposition box? To me, he is a very different striker. He may well have made a new position. Some sort of striking quarterback, a Number 9, 10 and 8 rolled into one. He moves all over the opposition half, that it would be impossible to keep him marked. He is intelligent, has a good touch, holds onto the ball well, great vision and can play a great pass. As long as he has players around him on his wavelength, he is an incredible player to have in your team. Do people really think Calum Wilson would be better up front for England? You'd probably have to put a lot more pressure on the midfield in creating chances for him, whereas with Kane he very much a key component of the build up.

Grealish: He doesn't score or set up goals as much as people want. But, he does have a great ability of keeping hold of the ball, and drawing fouls. Excellent timing in just nicking the ball away from a defender as they think they have a chance to get the ball. I'd be interested to know how often he is actually dispossessed, I have a feeling that stat might be relatively low compared to others (weighted for dribbles made).

Rashford: Had a torrid year or so, and he still frustrates at times by losing possession. However, a lot of pace and power, and can use that to devastating effect. I am sure he is a player a defender would be nervous about facing. Even if he doesn't start, can be a very good impact sub

Rice: He just seems to be doing a very professional job thus far, seems to have a very steady head to play that role as the deep midfielder, difficult to be critical.

Henderson: Even I question Henderson's inclusion at times, and joke about his shouting. But, I certainly wasn't surprised that he made the squad, and that he has certain qualities that can be used in the right system. Good intelligent run for his goal yesterday, albeit I didn't understand what his role was in that 11, as I expected him to be sitting deeper.

TAA: Well, I can't imagine he will get any game time in the next games, unless England are winning by 4 or 5 goals. I just think he is not a great defender, certainly not compared to those around him. However, he clearly has other amazing qualities, and if he played in a side that played a different way, he'd be one of the first on the team sheet. Maybe, if England are in a losing position, he might get a chance to come on and create goals. Even though he plays for Liverpool, it would be lovely to see him score a late free-kick equaliser and then setting up the winning goal (even better if Maguire was the one to benefit from the cross, and it was the final)

Southgate: I'm still not convinced he is a manager that can maximise the attacking talent of the team (but I guess no manager is perfect in every single possible area), but it is also true that we are starting to see more attacking positives from games, so it is not abysmal. My biggest questioning of him was in the USA game, mainly because I couldn't understand not picking Foden, and the late subs when England were really struggling at the start of that second half. However, his biggest strength could be the way he manages those players. As I alluded to at the start, playing for England must be an extremely stressful situation for many players, when many will get so much abuse from their so called fans. It almost feels like the fans are more excited about saying "I told you so..." when things go wrong, than giving their support to all the players, and not lynching them when things go wrong. But, Southgate seems to have built an atmosphere within the camp that blocks this feeling of intimidation out. There is a confidence and spirit that I have never seen in an England squad before, and so there has to be massive credit to him in that. He also deals very well within the press conferences, and so he never adds fuel to the flames when the media are trying to stir things up. So, given the type of fans / media England have, perhaps Southgate is the perfect man to manage England?

The chances of England winning are less than 50%. But, the same is true for every big nation. To win a World Cup, a team needs to hope that they reach their peak for the tournament (easier said than done), but even if they do, will still require moments of luck to go their way. Before France scored last night, a pretty poor Polish team were giving them a good game, and probably should have been winning. The next game will be England's biggest test, same for France. Could go either way. But, I think there is a lot more to be positive about this England squad for the next few years, rather than being all doom and gloom.
 
Where is this mindset? His keeper is Everton when ramsdale is arsenal

He has rice in midfield from west ham when Phillips of city on the bench

Kane of spurs , hardly a champ winning team

It's a myth now that you have to be big club to get in the team.
The best club sides scarcely have any English players anyway. If they do they're mostly on the bench.
 
Anyone see the celebration between Bellingham and Henderson after Henderson scored, where they put their heads together? The way VAR has gone this tournament, I am just glad VAR didn't ask the referee to review the incident, and send both players off for a headbutt :)
 
It strikes me that, in general, England fans are an incredibly negative bunch. Maybe it is mainly in forums like these, as fans like to tell the world what they feel, and it is so much better to get things off your chest by spouting negative views. But, it seems to go from normal stuff about who you think should be in a squad, in a starting 11, how we should play, etc (which all seem perfectly normal discussions), to becoming absolutely hell bent in highlighting any criticism / mistake and lambasting the players you are meant to be supporting. I wonder if other big nations are the same. Not so much after crashing out, which is bound to generate negative feedback, but whilst actually playing in the tournament?

It can't go unnoticed that, thus far, England must look impressive to other nations watching? They had one sub par game, against USA, but got a result that was very useful none the less. They have kept 3 clean sheets in 4 games, and conceded 2, both of which came when the game was already won, and one of which was a questionable penalty. They've scored 12 goals in 4 games. So, I thought I'd look at some of the positive aspects of some of the England players, mainly those that get some heavy criticism, and also those that must genuinely frighten the opponents:

Pickford: Of all England goalkeepers that I have ever seen (going back to early 90's), he seems to be best at not letting the shirt weight him down. Even if he was to make a mistake, as all goalkeepers do, I honestly don't think it would negatively impact to the same extent as it would most other keepers. Might not even phase him at all, and he'll just get on with doing what he does.

Maguire: Indeed, we all know of his struggles, and he is no Rio Ferdinand or VVD. Sadly, each time I watch him in possession, I suspect it is the expectations of the fans that negatively impact him more than complete lack of ability. He knows he'll get slagged off at any given opportunity by many England fans, even for the smallest of errors. Constant cheap shots. But, he has still done well thus far, and a good presence to have in the box when crosses are being fired in. I suspect he will only come away from this World Cup with any general credit if England win the tournament, as if they concede and go out he may well get the blame (and God forbid he actually makes a big error, as he genuinely might have to leave the country with the abuse I'd expect he'd get)

Bellingham: What can I say, he looks absolutely immense. Thankfully, he doesn't have any real critics as yet, probably because he hasn't played for Man Utd or Liverpool (or rivals of them), and most fans will be desperate he signs for them in the future.

Foden: Just another immense player, playing in a club side where he is used to very high expectations (sadly he is just at the wrong club :) ). Really lively, nimble and can create something out of nothing.

Kane: He just seems to get so much criticism, and I don't get it. Is it because he doesn't camp out in the opposition box? To me, he is a very different striker. He may well have made a new position. Some sort of striking quarterback, a Number 9, 10 and 8 rolled into one. He moves all over the opposition half, that it would be impossible to keep him marked. He is intelligent, has a good touch, holds onto the ball well, great vision and can play a great pass. As long as he has players around him on his wavelength, he is an incredible player to have in your team. Do people really think Calum Wilson would be better up front for England? You'd probably have to put a lot more pressure on the midfield in creating chances for him, whereas with Kane he very much a key component of the build up.

Grealish: He doesn't score or set up goals as much as people want. But, he does have a great ability of keeping hold of the ball, and drawing fouls. Excellent timing in just nicking the ball away from a defender as they think they have a chance to get the ball. I'd be interested to know how often he is actually dispossessed, I have a feeling that stat might be relatively low compared to others (weighted for dribbles made).

Rashford: Had a torrid year or so, and he still frustrates at times by losing possession. However, a lot of pace and power, and can use that to devastating effect. I am sure he is a player a defender would be nervous about facing. Even if he doesn't start, can be a very good impact sub

Rice: He just seems to be doing a very professional job thus far, seems to have a very steady head to play that role as the deep midfielder, difficult to be critical.

Henderson: Even I question Henderson's inclusion at times, and joke about his shouting. But, I certainly wasn't surprised that he made the squad, and that he has certain qualities that can be used in the right system. Good intelligent run for his goal yesterday, albeit I didn't understand what his role was in that 11, as I expected him to be sitting deeper.

TAA: Well, I can't imagine he will get any game time in the next games, unless England are winning by 4 or 5 goals. I just think he is not a great defender, certainly not compared to those around him. However, he clearly has other amazing qualities, and if he played in a side that played a different way, he'd be one of the first on the team sheet. Maybe, if England are in a losing position, he might get a chance to come on and create goals. Even though he plays for Liverpool, it would be lovely to see him score a late free-kick equaliser and then setting up the winning goal (even better if Maguire was the one to benefit from the cross, and it was the final)

Southgate: I'm still not convinced he is a manager that can maximise the attacking talent of the team (but I guess no manager is perfect in every single possible area), but it is also true that we are starting to see more attacking positives from games, so it is not abysmal. My biggest questioning of him was in the USA game, mainly because I couldn't understand not picking Foden, and the late subs when England were really struggling at the start of that second half. However, his biggest strength could be the way he manages those players. As I alluded to at the start, playing for England must be an extremely stressful situation for many players, when many will get so much abuse from their so called fans. It almost feels like the fans are more excited about saying "I told you so..." when things go wrong, than giving their support to all the players, and not lynching them when things go wrong. But, Southgate seems to have built an atmosphere within the camp that blocks this feeling of intimidation out. There is a confidence and spirit that I have never seen in an England squad before, and so there has to be massive credit to him in that. He also deals very well within the press conferences, and so he never adds fuel to the flames when the media are trying to stir things up. So, given the type of fans / media England have, perhaps Southgate is the perfect man to manage England?

The chances of England winning are less than 50%. But, the same is true for every big nation. To win a World Cup, a team needs to hope that they reach their peak for the tournament (easier said than done), but even if they do, will still require moments of luck to go their way. Before France scored last night, a pretty poor Polish team were giving them a good game, and probably should have been winning. The next game will be England's biggest test, same for France. Could go either way. But, I think there is a lot more to be positive about this England squad for the next few years, rather than being all doom and gloom.
Good post. Pickford is a weird one, I still don't think he's top drawer, but it is weird and notable that he's only made mistakes for his club so far and not really for England. I've said similar to you on Hendo - I don't always know what he brings to the table, but he's done as well as anyone.

Agree on Kane (of course) - you'd have to have a particularly blinkered view to criticise him for not scoring when he has played at least some part in the majority of the goals we've scored - if not the assist then picking the ball up and playing it out to the assister, or even as simple as dragging his marker out of the box for the goalscorer to have space.

I think Southgate has clearly been a terrific motivator for the younger players and deserves credit for that. My biggest criticism is simply that he doesn't know how to use subs properly, when things need changing, it's always too little too late. But obviously he still has time to rectify that.
 
Anyone see the celebration between Bellingham and Henderson after Henderson scored, where they put their heads together? The way VAR has gone this tournament, I am just glad VAR didn't ask the referee to review the incident, and send both players off for a headbutt :)
It was a little bit weird and intense o_O
 

Carlton Palmer.

Pretty obvious that many older England fans (this forum is a good indication) prefer England to be more direct. Get it forward quickly, don't mess around with it at the back, long ball into the mixer etc. Whenever I've been to Wembley there's always agitation in the stands when the team try the patient build up and retain possession (this has been a constant theme in my experience going back to Hoddle and Venables). People expect 100mph football for 90 minutes. You can't win a world cup playing like that but it doesn't register with many fans.
 
Carlton Palmer.

Pretty obvious that many older England fans (this forum is a good indication) prefer England to be more direct. Get it forward quickly, don't mess around with it at the back, long ball into the mixer etc. Whenever I've been to Wembley there's always agitation in the stands when the team try the patient build up and retain possession (this has been a constant theme in my experience going back to Hoddle and Venables). People expect 100mph football for 90 minutes. You can't win a world cup playing like that but it doesn't register with many fans.


Thats not it for me, its the lack of movement and options for the guys at the back when playing out that I dont like. It forces it to become very slow because they have little options ahead of them. The amount of times Stones/Maguire had no forward options available to them was far too often. Completely different to watching the top club sides where there is a far better understanding, more movement and better options to progress the ball into and through midfield so everything is able to happen quicker when there is a gap to exploit (remids me of arsenal last season!). Thankfully most sides at the world cup arent that good defensively so still give you opportunities but feel we need on or two of the midfielders to come and help them out more often, even if just to move the opposition around more and open up the gaps
 
Good post. Pickford is a weird one, I still don't think he's top drawer, but it is weird and notable that he's only made mistakes for his club so far and not really for England. I've said similar to you on Hendo - I don't always know what he brings to the table, but he's done as well as anyone.

Agree on Kane (of course) - you'd have to have a particularly blinkered view to criticise him for not scoring when he has played at least some part in the majority of the goals we've scored - if not the assist then picking the ball up and playing it out to the assister, or even as simple as dragging his marker out of the box for the goalscorer to have space.

I think Southgate has clearly been a terrific motivator for the younger players and deserves credit for that. My biggest criticism is simply that he doesn't know how to use subs properly, when things need changing, it's always too little too late. But obviously he still has time to rectify that.

The Hendo thing is pretty simple for me - our other CM's are Maddison, Phillips, Mount and Gallagher.

Gallagher is a future talent but not trusted atm
Maddison is just not trusted in general
Phillips has played 58 minutes or something this season
Mount - started the tournament slowly but a very good player.

Hendo is match fit, experienced in big games and a good distributor of the ball, he's there just to keep the passing fluidity going and lead the team by 1) example and 2) on field leadership (shouting - but its more than that, its managing the game)

Alongside Rice - Solid CDM and Bellingham - Box to box I actually think its a great combination.
 
I think that England have done just fine and dandy, and whilst I understand frustrations at what might be seen as failings, the negativity expressed by some (many?) is frankly just miserablist in extreme. Just support your bleedin’ team, they are a great bunch of lads demonstrating genuine passion and love of their country, and just wanting, and desperate, to do their very best for every England supporter.

And of course I say that most sincerely folks whilst waving my ???????
 
The Sterling robbery story is taking some weird twists. Claims of armed robbers and family inside but police stating the family were away and returned home to find jewellery missing...
 
Where is this mindset? His keeper is Everton when ramsdale is arsenal

He has rice in midfield from west ham when Phillips of city on the bench

Kane of spurs , hardly a champ winning team

It's a myth now that you have to be big club to get in the team.
If Maguire was playing for Brighton would he be in the England team.
Grealish never got a look in until he went to City.
 
If Maguire was playing for Brighton would he be in the England team.
Grealish never got a look in until he went to City.

Grealish switched late the England, it was a very political move to get him, the works behind the scenes had been happening years

He had to prove he was more than a party boy

Played the euros as a villa player
 
Crazy to think back in Jan 2020 Man Utd had Haaland and Bellingham offers accepted but couldn't agree personal terms. Haaland they stalled over a sell on fee and Bellingham decided Dortmund was a better place to develop.

What price the pair now? Over £400m? :unsure:
 
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