10 Golf Myths

Orikoru said:
That really sounds like you don't understand what I'm saying at all. I'm always trying to hole it, or give myself the best chance of holing it - by hitting it the correct speed for it to drop in. But if it doesn't drop, the next best thing is leaving a tap-in. I do not care if that tap-in is a foot short or a foot past the hole. They are worth the same.

Am I not explaining this well, or is everyone else getting it ok?
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Totally get it 👍
 
Orikoru said:
That really sounds like you don't understand what I'm saying at all. I'm always trying to hole it, or give myself the best chance of holing it - by hitting it the correct speed for it to drop in. But if it doesn't drop, the next best thing is leaving a tap-in. I do not care if that tap-in is a foot short or a foot past the hole. They are worth the same.

Am I not explaining this well, or is everyone else getting it ok?
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I don’t get it please start over and explain it all again 🤣🤣
 
Orikoru said:
That really sounds like you don't understand what I'm saying at all. I'm always trying to hole it, or give myself the best chance of holing it - by hitting it the correct speed for it to drop in. But if it doesn't drop, the next best thing is leaving a tap-in. I do not care if that tap-in is a foot short or a foot past the hole. They are worth the same.

Am I not explaining this well, or is everyone else getting it ok?
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I understand what you are saying but I still see you as a defensive putter. I don't see you standing over a putt and thinking 'Let's make a really positive stroke and knock this firmly into the back of the hole' because I think you are always worrying about the one back.
 
3 jabber said:
I understand what you are saying but I still see you as a defensive putter. I don't see you standing over a putt and thinking 'Let's make a really positive stroke and knock this firmly into the back of the hole' because I think you are always worrying about the one back.
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Yep that’s my theory

99% of the time I’m someone looking put enough pace on the ball for it to be hitting the back of the hole , I don’t three putt too many times and certainly sink more than my fair share of single putts
 
3 jabber said:
I understand what you are saying but I still see you as a defensive putter. I don't see you standing over a putt and thinking 'Let's make a really positive stroke and knock this firmly into the back of the hole' because I think you are always worrying about the one back.
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You obviously don't understand the concept and that's fine. The wider view is that lower scores are achieved by making fewer doubles, not more birdies, ultimately. Three-putts are score-killers. I find it a little weird that you associate holing putts with smacking it firmly, but that's an old-school association you've been brain-washed into. I am always trying to hole putts, I just don't differentiate missing short as being worse or better than missing long - they are both just misses. Hitting it too hard is just as bad as leaving it short, to my mind, they're both poor putts.

If I become as you suggest, hitting it more firmly to get past the hole, I will knock some putts 5 and 6 feet past at times, and I will subsequently three-putt more. That is not fear, it's simply a fact. I'd maybe hole one more putt that luckily hit the hole head-on, but I might three putt two or three more times. That's not a good exchange, that equates to a higher score.
 
I get what you're saying @Orikoru. However I would add this - I don't know what my dispersion is from 8 feet but let's say for the sake of argument that it's a circle of 2 feet across. In that situation, I'm looking to put it past the hole rather than centre my dispersion on the hole. I don't want to use the "never up..." phrase, but I suspect my make rate from 2 feet is barely any different to my make rate from 1 foot and I might as well eliminate that possibility of ending up 1 foot short from such close range.

Tour pros make 50% from 8 feet, and I would be shocked if they were leaving it short as often as they're putting it past the hole.

Remember, early on in this thread I said I completely took on board what Scott Fawcett said from 30+ feet and I try and implement that so I'm not trying to argue completely the other way. But there is a part of the same video where Rick says, "What about the idea of 'never leave an eagle putt short'," to which Scott replies (paraphrasing), "unless it's within 10 feet that's not a good idea". So even he must have some allowances about a range where you want to get it to the hole.
 
sjw said:
I get what you're saying @Orikoru. However I would add this - I don't know what my dispersion is from 8 feet but let's say for the sake of argument that it's a circle of 2 feet across. In that situation, I'm looking to put it past the hole rather than centre my dispersion on the hole. I don't want to use the "never up..." phrase, but I suspect my make rate from 2 feet is barely any different to my make rate from 1 foot and I might as well eliminate that possibility of ending up 1 foot short from such close range.

Tour pros make 50% from 8 feet, and I would be shocked if they were leaving it short as often as they're putting it past the hole.

Remember, early on in this thread I said I completely took on board what Scott Fawcett said from 30+ feet and I try and implement that so I'm not trying to argue completely the other way. But there is a part of the same video where Rick says, "What about the idea of 'never leave an eagle putt short'," to which Scott replies (paraphrasing), "unless it's within 10 feet that's not a good idea". So even he must have some allowances about a range where you want to get it to the hole.
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I mentioned earlier, but I'm not sure it's worth comparing to tour pros as they are outliers compared to us mortals. Firstly, they're playing on the fastest greens in the world, so it is likely a lot more difficult to actually leave it short in some situations. Secondly, as you state, they are way more proficient at knocking in 6-7 footers than us simple folk would be - a 6-footer to them is probably like a 3-footer for us.

Yeah, I dunno, I think optimum for me would maybe be 6 inches past the hole? But I'm not good enough to consistently hit it 6 inches past the hole (in terms of speed), and just the idea of trying to get it 'past the hole' is likely to make me overhit a few of them and end up three-putting. So the best thought process for me is to just try and roll it into the hole. The simplest ideas are the ones that endure after all.
 
Orikoru said:
I mentioned earlier, but I'm not sure it's worth comparing to tour pros as they are outliers compared to us mortals. Firstly, they're playing on the fastest greens in the world, so it is likely a lot more difficult to actually leave it short in some situations. Secondly, as you state, they are way more proficient at knocking in 6-7 footers than us simple folk would be - a 6-footer to them is probably like a 3-footer for us.

Yeah, I dunno, I think optimum for me would maybe be 6 inches past the hole? But I'm not good enough to consistently hit it 6 inches past the hole (in terms of speed), and just the idea of trying to get it 'past the hole' is likely to make me overhit a few of them and end up three-putting. So the best thought process for me is to just try and roll it into the hole. The simplest ideas are the ones that endure after all.
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Ok, then lets say an amateur is 50% from 5 feet. You short half the time from there?
 
Orikoru said:
What do you mean? Half your putts from there wouldn't be short would they, if 50% go in, then at most half of the remainder would be short so that's 25%?
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Yes, that's probably correct.

irip said:
There can be no doubt that 100% of putts that do not go in are missed.
Ori is simply saying that the next best option now having missed the putt is as close to the hole as possible
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The point I was getting at is there is no way I'm happy with a putt left short from 5 foot, no matter how small my dispersion circle is. I'm never going to say, "oh well, at least I have a 6 inch putt now rather than being a foot past!"

For me, for every level of putting ability I think there must be a point at which your mindset has to switch to getting it to the hole and putting that bit more aggressively. Not in the sense of hitting it artificially harder though.
 
I'm not deliberately trying to prolong this discussion btw so don't feel the need to reply. I was going to post this stuff earlier in the thread but never got around to it.
 
sjw said:
Yes, that's probably correct.



The point I was getting at is there is no way I'm happy with a putt left short from 5 foot, no matter how small my dispersion circle is. I'm never going to say, "oh well, at least I have a 6 inch putt now rather than being a foot past!"

For me, for every level of putting ability I think there must be a point at which your mindset has to switch to getting it to the hole and putting that bit more aggressively. Not in the sense of hitting it artificially harder though.
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I agree but if you did miss the 5 footer would you rather be 5 foot past or 1 foot short?
I think that is Ori point?

We can all agree he is a shocking putter though 🤣🤣
 
Lucifer MorningStar said:
All these pages later and people are still making out as though @Orikoru is trying to late putt from as little as 5 foot despite him saying he actually aims to hole every putt 😂😂

Please someone pick one of the other myths to discuss to saves his soul 😂😂
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I’m thinking about asking if I should tuck my shirt in before playing but don’t want to be blamed for breaking the internet
 
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