World Cup 2018

[Bunkermagnet]

So for the period we went 6 goals clear Stirling was on the pitch and contributed to that result.
People also highlighting the header from which the keeper made a decent save.
Please list the forward that takes every chance they get?
What exactly did Kane do in that team yesterday? Oh yes took the pens and got hit on the heels, I’d expect anyone of the 11 to score from the spot.

Point taken, but by the same token Kane took his chances(and I’m no fan of Kane) and you feel he probably will whereas Stirling misses too many to his score ration and you never feel he’s going to net.
Stirling’s end product isn’t good enough for the international level, whereas Kane’s is.

 

[Crazyface]

If a team gets to the finals, some discussion of team composition or tactics is usual...... you might not remember

LOL. My dad still says Jack Charlton shouldn't have played or Ray Wilson.

 

[Ross61]

So for the period we went 6 goals clear Stirling was on the pitch and contributed to that result.
People also highlighting the header from which the keeper made a decent save.
Please list the forward that takes every chance they get?
What exactly did Kane do in that team yesterday? Oh yes took the pens and got hit on the heels, I’d expect anyone of the 11 to score from the spot.

I think you are over confident with that statement, you only have to look at the manager’s record on that one!

 

[Tashyboy]

I thought Sterling had a good game. Made some good runs, got a nice assist for JLingz, I thought he looked a lot better than the first game, and we can't change the team after winning 6-1 - unless Dele is fit, but then he'd come back in for Loftus-Cheek for me. He should have scored the header that Stones eventually put in but I thought he had a good game. Was watching him closely and he did some very good stuff that went a little un-noticed.

Good write up, but the formation does not suit his game to get the best out of him. I would not change the balance of the game for him. If you swopped him for Vardy, I am not sure that Vardy would link up as good as Sterling but he is an out and out goal scorer. So what do you go for, link up or goals. If you swop Sterling for Rashford, I think he would link up better than Vardy and get goals. I would put on Rashford ahead of sterling for the last game.

 

[Crazyface]

Nobody deserves to be dropped after that performance, what did Vardy do in 30 minutes on the pitch? Nothing, as discussed the other day on here you have to play to his strengths or play him along side Kane, they’re not like for like.
Sterling is being unfairly singled out imo.

I'm going to agree with you. :thup: There are things that maybe could be better but I thought we looked compact with that line up and would run with it v Belgium for the first half. Second half I'd remove Linguard, Kane and another.

 

[Tashyboy]

So for the period we went 6 goals clear Stirling was on the pitch and contributed to that result.
People also highlighting the header from which the keeper made a decent save.
Please list the forward that takes every chance they get?
What exactly did Kane do in that team yesterday? Oh yes took the pens and got hit on the heels, I’d expect anyone of the 11 to score from the spot.

Funny when my lad came in from the pub bladdered, he said exactly the same about Kane. Said it was the worst World Cup hat trick he had seen:rofl:

 

[Crazyface]

Enjoyed the game, but it seems to me Sterling is a shoe in with Southgate when he should be dropped. There is no way he should have missed that sitter.
Also thought Rose and Delph were poor when they came on, regardless of how many we had already scored.

Bit harsh. I thought they were sent on to do a job and did it well.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think you are over confident with that statement, you only have to look at the manager’s record on that one!

He’s not allowed to take one, I believe if it’s level after all players take one, you go round again, managers don’t get called on :rofl:

 

[Imurg]

You can't really determine anything from the second half yesterday.
Saying Vardy did nothing for the 30 minutes he was on - England did nothing in that time. They were on autopilot.
Game was won, it was a case of get through without injuries..
Judge the team on the first half and how they do against Belgium.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You can't really determine anything from the second half yesterday.
Saying Vardy did nothing for the 30 minutes he was on - England did nothing in that time. They were on autopilot.
Game was won, it was a case of get through without injuries..
Judge the team on the first half and how they do against Belgium.

Surely he can only pick his first 11 on previous performances and training for the next game.
The common theme on here seems to be “drop Sterling” regardless of who we play next or what the score was after 60 minutes yesterday.

 

[Ross61]

He’s not allowed to take one, I believe if it’s level after all players take one, you go round again, managers don’t get called on :rofl:

Just saying that not all international players can score penalties, Southgate thought he could and failed. I believe less tha 50% of that team would have scored a penalty under that pressure.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just saying that not all international players can score penalties, Southgate thought he could and failed. I believe less tha 50% of that team would have scored a penalty under that pressure.

Just banter mate, hence the emoji’s.
We have no idea until those players face the pressure like you say, it might be 50% or 10 or 100, it’s guesswork until it happens.

 

[pbrown7582]

I'm going to agree with you. :thup: There are things that maybe could be better but I thought we looked compact with that line up and would run with it v Belgium for the first half. Second half I'd remove Linguard, Kane and another.

how is 352 compact?

 

[Hobbit]

So for the period we went 6 goals clear Stirling was on the pitch and contributed to that result.
People also highlighting the header from which the keeper made a decent save.
Please list the forward that takes every chance they get?
What exactly did Kane do in that team yesterday? Oh yes took the pens and got hit on the heels, I’d expect anyone of the 11 to score from the spot.

Sterling didn’t miss the header, the keeper saved it. No forward scores with every opportunity. And Sterling has scored diddly (two) for England in 40 games. To be fair, he’s had some stunning games in that time but I feel he hasn’t recently.

Why change a winning team? To make it even better.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sterling didn’t miss the header, the keeper saved it. No forward scores with every opportunity. And Sterling has scored diddly (two) for England in 40 games. To be fair, he’s had some stunning games in that time but I feel he hasn’t recently.

Why change a winning team? To make it even better.

I’d say changing a team is in the HOPE of making it better, Belgium is a minor risk as we’ve qualified, after this we don’t get a second chance, if the change doesn’t work that’s it.
Southgate has had enough games in charge now to know what he believes is his best 11 and we should get behind him (media etc, not any individual on here) and stop looking to undermine what he’s doing.

 

[Orikoru]

Well that game was exciting! It's amazing how good we are at attacking set pieces now. Really encouraging that we've made that such a strength at the moment. A bit annoying to concede one as well though. Belgium's defence has been well ropey as well with Boyata in there and no real protection from their midfield, so I reckon it could be 3-3 on Thursday with us topping the group on fair play.

Incredible that even in a 6-1 win Sterling managed to be completely anonymous again. But as the saying goes, you don't change a winning team, so I guess he's there to stay for now.

 

[Hobbit]

I’d say changing a team is in the HOPE of making it better, Belgium is a minor risk as we’ve qualified, after this we don’t get a second chance, if the change doesn’t work that’s it.
Southgate has had enough games in charge now to know what he believes is his best 11 and we should get behind him (media etc, not any individual on here) and stop looking to undermine what he’s doing.

The reason Southgate is in the job is he’s the best man for it. Do I support him? Absolutely! But that doesn’t mean I agree with everything he’s done. Would I shout from the rooftops in support of England when they’re on the pitch, even with Sterling on the pitch? Absolutely!

But after the game I’ll call it as I see it. I expect more from Sterling, or at least on a par with what he’s done for England in the past. He’s not delivering that, or even close to that.

I’ll argue the toss in the boardroom but when they’re out on the pitch ALL of the team has my support.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I had no issues with Sterling's performance on Sunday.

The only time I moaned at him was at one point in the second half and with England playing casually and a little sloppily (tbh - but understandable) a ball was playing through the middle to him - with his back to goal and with no defenders particularly close to him and not under any pressure - he missed the control and let it run right under his foot (to the keeper I think). It seemed just overly casual and careless and I found it frustrating as I wanted England to absolutely hammer Panama for the awful cheats they were.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

People may expect more from Sterling and I would say right now what’s missing is a goal but for someone to say he was anonymous is complete nonsense- everything else in his game he is doing well , especially his movement, they were saying on the radio that Kane is loving playing with Sterling because his movement is creating so much space for Kane to use - yep he needs a goal to silence critics but right now he is doing well and there is no guarantee that replacing him with Rashford or Vardy you will get an improvement.

They also said that right now both are perfect coming of the bench to take advantage of tired defenders.

I expect Southgate to keep the team set up the way it is as it’s producing the best performances of the tournament so far

 

[User62651]

The reason Southgate is in the job is he’s the best man for it. Do I support him? Absolutely! But that doesn’t mean I agree with everything he’s done. Would I shout from the rooftops in support of England when they’re on the pitch, even with Sterling on the pitch? Absolutely!

But after the game I’ll call it as I see it. I expect more from Sterling, or at least on a par with what he’s done for England in the past. He’s not delivering that, or even close to that.

I’ll argue the toss in the boardroom but when they’re out on the pitch ALL of the team has my support.

Fair comments.
I agree with you on Sterling, the player that went from Liverpool to City for big bucks does not seem the same player we see these days. I think he is carried at Man City, be interesting to see what Guardiola does over the summer transfer-wise.
I'd be looking for Sterling (with his skills) to do what Arjen Robben used to do, drive at defences and chip in a few goals himself. Frustrating watching him and I'm not even an England fan. Seems to run into trouble, miss sitters or make the wrong short pass choice over and over.

Is everyone getting a bit carried away too? They've played Tunisia and Panama, struggling to get the win in game 1 too. 2014 was immensely harder playing Italy and Uruguay, can't compare like with like and unfair on the 2014/2016 squads and Roy to do that. The Kane 'taking corners' things keep coming up a veiled criticism of Hodgson but Hodgson is every bit as and arguably more of a coach/tactician than Southgate so would have made that call for a reason.

Wishing England well, were great yesterday. Can't compare with previous tournaments yet however. u want to avoid Colombia in last 16 I think, some quality and danger in that side (even if they struggled in EPL), more than Japan or Senegal.