World Cup 2018

[Lord Tyrion]

Whilst Henderson seems to be the hot topic on here, hats off to Sunderland academy who produced two players for last nights starting 11, him and Pickford. The rest of the club might be in meltdown but that alone is impressive for a club of their very limited stature.

 

[Papas1982]

I actually rewatched the match this morning having been up for 30 hours by the time it finished last night I struggled to rememeber much of it.

I think as has been mentioned, we had a good start and all 3 of our midfield were involved in that. After that the opposition adjusted and it took us too long imo to work that out and try new things. Delle was a passenger and should have been dropped. Kane was superb imo, should of had 2 pens and scored the goals we need him to score. We have plenty that can score worldies, but when the game is tight he is the one that’ll swing a game in our favour.

Sterling was sterling, over a 38 game season he will do enough as he’ll have countless chances, but when it’s over 3-8 games he can easily looking shocking. I’d stick with him against Panama as he may get a goal and go on a run. If he has a similar 60 mins then I’d bring rashford or Vardy on and give them the nod against Belgium.

I’d drop Walker, I think he’s in there for his pace and recovery skills, but his lack of ability in the centre is clear. Him and trippier is good for England as far as competition is concerned at rb/wb.

If I was picking the line up for panama I’d swap Cahill in for walker and give loftis cheek Delles spot. Even if he isn’t properly injured, I think he needs a wake up call. I’d like to see TAA given some game time too. I think he’s got potential in the middle of the park and with Walker and tripper I think that’s the only place he may get game time as rb is safe.

Henderson was impressive, I think Unfortunatley he is following an era of midfielders that quite simply were better than he was, but he did everything required. He was vocal and always available. Personally I think he needs his partner to perform to make him look better. That’s not a criticisism, just a biproduct of his role. If he performs well it leaves a platform for an more stilish player to perform, if said player doesn’t then people pick fault at our lack of creativity and blame it on him.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sterling at his best is head and shoulders above anything we have but he's out of form. His body language in interviews suggests he's clearly hurting from the stick he has had lately. I feel he had his chance in the warm ups, and needs a game from the bench.

Do England give him an easy game, e.g. Panama, then rest him against Belgium and play a more defensive team...? Whatever happens I think he needs a bench game.

To get the best out of Sterling they should play him in the role he plays at City - play him wide up high and not as a number 10 , even though Sterling thinks he is better as a number 10 he is better as part of a front three - that’s where he played for us and was superb and again at City. Play him and Rashford either side of Kane with someone like Alli or Lingard as the number 10. Its a front 3/4 with a lot of pace and energy that’s going to scare teams. And yep his confidence in a blue shirt is sky high - in an England shirt it needs a massive boost. They should give him the Panama game - if he doesn’t improve then against Belguim bring in Vardy

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Whilst Henderson seems to be the hot topic on here, hats off to Sunderland academy who produced two players for last nights starting 11, him and Pickford. The rest of the club might be in meltdown but that alone is impressive for a club of their very limited stature.

And Khazri

 

[Deleted member 16999]

People like me 😂😂😂
If you’d actually read my comment from last night, I said Henderson had a great game.

Ooops, that’s embarrassing :rofl: I wouldn’t be expecting a response anytime soon. :thup:

Told you this would work. :whoo:

 

[need_my_wedge]

Get in Kagawa ... :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

People like me 😂😂😂
If you’d actually read my comment from last night, I said Henderson had a great game.

Yet you then go and laugh at my post showing how well Henderson did play ? So if you thought he did play well why then accuse me of being red tinted when I showed highlights of him playing well - or was it just a slip back to old habits and too good an opportunity to get the spoon out ?

 

[Orikoru]

Cracking start for Colombia here. That feller was in my bloody fantasy team as well.

 

[Orikoru]

Yet you then go and laugh at my post showing how well Henderson did play ? So if you thought he did play well why then accuse me of being red tinted when I showed highlights of him playing well - or was it just a slip back to old habits and too good an opportunity to get the spoon out ?

Been way too much discussion of Henderson now. Yes he finally had a really good game for England at the 40th attempt. Let's move on..

 

[pbrown7582]

To get the best out of Sterling they should play him in the role he plays at City - play him wide up high and not as a number 10 , even though Sterling thinks he is better as a number 10 he is better as part of a front three - that’s where he played for us and was superb and again at City. Play him and Rashford either side of Kane with someone like Alli or Lingard as the number 10. Its a front 3/4 with a lot of pace and energy that’s going to scare teams. And yep his confidence in a blue shirt is sky high - in an England shirt it needs a massive boost. They should give him the Panama game - if he doesn’t improve then against Belguim bring in Vardy

don't think you can play with 3 up and 2 wing backs would mean the wide front men and WB getting in each others way....

 

[Beezerk]

Yet you then go and laugh at my post showing how well Henderson did play ? So if you thought he did play well why then accuse me of being red tinted when I showed highlights of him playing well - or was it just a slip back to old habits and too good an opportunity to get the spoon out ?

Old habits? Wow, you know me so well.
It’s called bantz mate, I’ll know in the future not to take the micky out of you as you’re one of those who just cannot take it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

don't think you can play with 3 up and 2 wing backs would mean the wide front men and WB getting in each others way....

You get rid of the wing backs and go to four at the back

Drop Walker and have Stones and Maguire as your CB’s

You then have Rose/Young as your Left Back and Trippier as your right back

A middle three against Panama of Henderson , Lingard and Loftus Cheek but against Belguim bring in Dier for the extra protection

Set up as City and Liverpool do ( plus Madrid and Barcelona and Munich ) etc - it would get the best out of the players selected imo for me the 3 at the back and wingbacks isn’t the best set up

 

[Orikoru]

don't think you can play with 3 up and 2 wing backs would mean the wide front men and WB getting in each others way....

Not to mention the fact we'd only have 1 midfielder in the system he describes. 5-1-1-3? I'm not sure Phil has a bright future in football management. :rofl:

 

[Orikoru]

You get rid of the wing backs and go to four at the back

Drop Walker and have Stones and Maguire as your CB’s

You then have Rose/Young as your Left Back and Trippier as your right back

A middle three against Panama of Henderson , Lingard and Loftus Cheek but against Belguim bring in Dier for the extra protection

Set up as City and Liverpool do ( plus Madrid and Barcelona and Munich ) etc - it would get the best out of the players selected imo for me the 3 at the back and wingbacks isn’t the best set up

He's not going to do any of that. The formation is set in stone, Southgate pretty much said as much.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He's not going to do any of that. The formation is set in stone, Southgate pretty much said as much.

Yep, it’s also the system he’s been using since he took over and practising in training.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He's not going to do any of that. The formation is set in stone, Southgate pretty much said as much.

Does that mean we can’t discuss it or form an opinion about different systems that could work

And something being sent in stone could easily be the reason why England won’t progress as a team , others set up to suit the players but are also flexible. 1990 England went into the tournament with one formation that they used in training and qualification - it wasn’t working great so Robson had the foresight and flexibility to change the system and it worked , he is also did it in 1986 and Venables also adjusted in the run up to Euro 1996. Previous managers that have failed have just stuck to “their system” and it’s been their undoing. You would hope Southgate would have the flexiblity to have a plan B for when his preffered system doesn’t work - if he doesn’t then England will continue to fall down when it comes to the crucial stages

 

[Orikoru]

Does that mean we can’t discuss it or form an opinion about different systems that could work

And something being sent in stone could easily be the reason why England won’t progress as a team , others set up to suit the players but are also flexible. 1990 England went into the tournament with one formation that they used in training and qualification - it wasn’t working great so Robson had the foresight and flexibility to change the system and it worked , he is also did it in 1986 and Venables also adjusted in the run up to Euro 1996. Previous managers that have failed have just stuck to “their system” and it’s been their undoing. You would hope Southgate would have the flexiblity to have a plan B for when his preffered system doesn’t work - if he doesn’t then England will continue to fall down when it comes to the crucial stages

Who says it doesn't work? We won our first game. In fact we haven't lost in a year.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Here's how I see it.

As far as I'm aware, nobody on here is either managing or coaching a football team at the highest level (and by that I mean the professional game).

Likewise I'm not aware of anyone who has played - or is playing - the game at the highest level, professionally, Championship level or above.

(If I'm wrong please correct me).

So if that's the case, then NONE OF US are even remotely qualified to question who should or shouldn't be playing for the England team!!

And unless you all have coaching qualifications from UEFA B level and above, then I'd also go so far as to say that any recommendations on formations, tactics and who should be playing where are also laughable!!

Yes some of you may well say "I manage my local men's team, I do know what I'm talking about" let's face it managing Rag Arse Rovers and hoping your star midfield play maker hasn't been out till 3 and then get a dodgy kebab on the way home isn't exactly the same as being in charge of a group of professional players is it?!!!

Think people need to calm down and have a bit of a reality check! There's a big difference between 'he didn't play particularly well this evening IMO' and 'he's rubbish and needs to be replaced by xyz for the next game'.

 

[User62651]

Here's how I see it.

As far as I'm aware, nobody on here is either managing or coaching a football team at the highest level (and by that I mean the professional game).

Likewise I'm not aware of anyone who has played - or is playing - the game at the highest level, professionally, Championship level or above.

(If I'm wrong please correct me).

So if that's the case, then NONE OF US are even remotely qualified to question who should or shouldn't be playing for the England team!!

And unless you all have coaching qualifications from UEFA B level and above, then I'd also go so far as to say that any recommendations on formations, tactics and who should be playing where are also laughable!!

Yes some of you may well say "I manage my local men's team, I do know what I'm talking about" let's face it managing Rag Arse Rovers and hoping your star midfield play maker hasn't been out till 3 and then get a dodgy kebab on the way home isn't exactly the same as being in charge of a group of professional players is it?!!!

Think people need to calm down and have a bit of a reality check! There's a big difference between 'he didn't play particularly well this evening IMO' and 'he's rubbish and needs to be replaced by xyz for the next game'.

Where's the fun in that? I have an opinion having played (at school/uni) and watched football for 45 years or so but I'm never going to voice it because I'm not Jose Mourinho?? Come on, it's the world cup and we're all pub and armchair experts ...in our own way...dont you know.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Where's the fun in that? I have an opinion having played (at school/uni) and watched football for 45 years or so but I'm never going to voice it because I'm not Jose Mourinho?? Come on, it's the world cup and we're all pub and armchair experts ...in our own way...dont you know.

No everyone is entitled to their opinions - you're absolutely right on that front...........just as everyone therefore recognises that they're absolutely wrong!!!