2blue
Journeyman Pro
Nay lad... lighten-up, like all of us, he's just making a living.
I just think TT has no place on a tennis court.
MV, ...... may well be crap at tennis
I just think TT has no place on a tennis court.
MV, ...... may well be crap at tennis
Will be honest. Haven’t watched any of the ladies tennis this year. Cheering for Halep, but really wouldn’t mind if Serena wins. Think she’s sometimes underrated (if possible). Certainly had a better touch in the past than some would suggest.
What I’ve read certainly appears true. Serena not covering ground well.
What I’ve read certainly appears true. Serena not covering ground well.
First bit of favour for Williams. Never a point replay.
Brilliant performance by Halep.
The fact they both faced one seed each to get to the final shows the real lack of depth in the game imo.
The fact they both faced one seed each to get to the final shows the real lack of depth in the game imo.
Slime
Tour Winner
I'm glad I didn't pay to see that!
All done in less than an hour.
All done in less than an hour.
Women's tennis is going through a really weak era right now. Could most people name 2 players out of the top 10? Only hardened tennis watchers. The only excitement in the 2 weeks related to a 15yr old. That Williams could get to the final so easily when she barely moves now is worrying.
It needs a couple of women to step up and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Papas, you are clearly a tennis man, who could they be?
Kellfire
Blackballed
Or it shows the real depth in the game ...
Tbh there aren’t many imo. The obvious answer being Barty and Ozaka but they don’t seem dominant, simply the best if the rest. Tbh I watch a lot less ladies tennis due to the fact that it isnt as competitive. It seems every few years a few young ones show up then vanish. Talk was made of Sloane Stevens, and now Gauff the sceptic in me would say they’re both marketable and comparable to Serena Williams which helps. For all the talk of Gauff, if she wins next year she simply equals Hingis record for age, year after that and it’s Sharapova.....
All that said, the men’s isnt too dissimilar in that the greats of the last 15 years are still the players to beat. That said, I think those below them will mean that when they retire the completion will still be good, just not as good as now. It’ll fall into a fallow period like it did after Sampras before Federer. There will imo be lots of 2/3 time major winners until the next guy steps up.
Do you truly believe that?
I’ve admitted I haven’t watched it this year. But an injured albeit great player like Williams cruising to a final doesn’t show depth. It shows a weak field that anyone half decent can get through.
True greats of the sport don’t drop like flies, they rise above it. The fact that so many seeds dropped early imo shows that the completion may be great, but it’s more than nobody is particularly good, as opposed to they’re all great.
Kellfire
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A field could be deep full of poor players. The fact that the seeds dropped like flies would suggest the pool of players are of similar ability on the whole which would mean a deep field.
chrisd
Major Champion
Theres certainly been talk of few players making the effort to become a real title contender
Ah I see, you were being pedantic for a change.... I'll rephrase to make it clear what I meant. Albeit I'm sure almost everyone else knew.
The fact they faced one seed each shows the real lack of standout quality in the field.
Kellfire
Blackballed
I’m not being pedantic. I’m saying that your logic is fallacious. Non seeded players making it far into the tournament suggests a field that is similar in ability, thus a deep field.
The points system in place suggests that there is actually a bigger gap in talent between the top men (more depth) and the lesser men and yet the top men still get though. So over the course of a season it would appear that the seeds do in fact warrant their places.
That suggests to me that there isn’t actually this depth you claim there is, simply that the top women aren’t particularly good. And can lose to anyone.
But hey, let’s debate my terminology instead of the point I was making.
Enjoy your afternoon.
Kellfire
Blackballed
Exactly! The top women not being very good and the fact they can lose to anyone means the field is deep!
I’m really not understanding why you don’t get the point I’m making. Depth does not equate to quality.
Wolf
Well-known member
Only just seen some brief highlights of the ladies final but Halep looked brilliant and showed make Serena move and you remove the only asset she has left in the game and that's power. Fair play to Halep, however I agree with @Papas1982 there is a real lack of depth in quality in the women's game. There are very few stand out players in the women's side of the game at the moment and doesn't general make for good viewing.
I fully understand that.
Where I disagree is that you think there is depth, albeit just lots of poor players, I don’t. If you look at the ranking systems. The top women clearly are better than the competition. Therefor there is over a season a pool of 16 good players then lots of rubbish. Seeds losing this year doesn’t suddenly make the field more competitive (deeper).
In the men’s game the top seeds are in fact even further ahead of their peers, but the next tier remain competitive meaning that their is in fact a depth of talent.
Written after research.
Having done a little research. I think my original op may have been a little misleading. It would appear 9 seeds made the last 16 at Wimbledon. The two finalists only facing 1 each seems to show luck as much as anything else.
Similar to France.
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MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Believe the ladies are over coached... And, any flair/feel for the game is removed at an early stage...
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As a non tennis player one of the big differences I noticed was that the women seem to hit largely flat shots, all baseline stuff. They seem to make a lot of errors, keep the ball in play long enough and you win the point. The men put more top spin on their shots, make more winners, passing shots perhaps because of that. It's still mainly baseline stuff but they do occasionally come to the net.
Why the lack of top spin in the ladies game? When it is so integral to the mens game, successfully, why is that not transferred across to the womens game? Any tennis players out there that can answer that one?
Why the lack of top spin in the ladies game? When it is so integral to the mens game, successfully, why is that not transferred across to the womens game? Any tennis players out there that can answer that one?
Foxholer
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I'm not a Serena supporter, but she was truly gracious in defeat today!
Halep played an absolutely brilliant match - probably the match of her life!
Williams didn't play badly, but was simply out-fought and outgunned!
I suspect Williams will play a few, but not many, more tournaments in the lead-up to the slams next year - at age 38! She seems to have a , comparitive, lack of stamina. While others, like Halep, have risen to counter her power-blitz style that was so effective in the past!
Halep played an absolutely brilliant match - probably the match of her life!
Williams didn't play badly, but was simply out-fought and outgunned!
I suspect Williams will play a few, but not many, more tournaments in the lead-up to the slams next year - at age 38! She seems to have a , comparitive, lack of stamina. While others, like Halep, have risen to counter her power-blitz style that was so effective in the past!