Orikoru
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No, that's only the Liverpool team silly.Erm.....so full of cheats then...
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It should never have been Henman hill or Murray Mount which is a bloody terrible name anyway. Should have called it the grassy knowle as people there see so many British hopefuls shot down.
I actually agree she's not a brit anyway, maybe naturlised as one but still that's probably more because she got better funding here than where she was born and mostly grew up.
It's like how was Rusedski classed as a brit with such a strong Canadian accent.
It's like all the South African English cricketers it seems off to me. If your playing for a nation surely there should be a better criteria than simply living there or playing there
I actually agree she's not a brit anyway, maybe naturlised as one but still that's probably more because she got better funding here than where she was born and mostly grew up.
It's like how was Rusedski classed as a brit with such a strong Canadian accent.
It's like all the South African English cricketers it seems off to me. If your playing for a nation surely there should be a better criteria than simply living there or playing there
The BBC can attempt all they like to rename it but when people are there they call it Henman Hill. Naming has a life of its own and once done you can't undo it. The fans decide!
Orikoru
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At least Rusedski had an English mother (thanks Wikipedia). Konta has Hungarian parents, was born in Australia and moved here at 14. How can that make you British she was very nearly an adult by then. Tennis fans don't care, they'll just latch onto her because we have bugger all other decent players. Just like how all the English fans blindly followed Murray even though he openly hated the English.
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I’m pretty sure people have changed nationalities
And it’s also different in Tennis where the players are ultimately representing themselves 99% of the time not their country
Openly hated the English ?! Really - have you got some link to that please
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Dan2501
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Diego Costa played for the Brazil and Spain national teams
Thiago Motta got 2 caps for Brazil before switching to Italy
Pepe was born and raised in Brazil, moved to Portugal at 18 and took up citizenship before ultimately playing for the national team.
Wilfred Zaha played twice for England before switching to the Ivory Coast.
Declan Rice played 3 times for ROI before switching to England.
It happens in Football.
Thiago Motta got 2 caps for Brazil before switching to Italy
Pepe was born and raised in Brazil, moved to Portugal at 18 and took up citizenship before ultimately playing for the national team.
Wilfred Zaha played twice for England before switching to the Ivory Coast.
Declan Rice played 3 times for ROI before switching to England.
It happens in Football.
It happens more for other countries than England which is why its more alien to some i guess, we're still yet to have one qualification through citizenship i believe?
Orikoru
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They asked him who he was supporting in the World Cup and he answered anyone but England. And don't say it was a joke as that bloke doesn't have an ounce of humour in his body.
Costa and Pepe examples were stupid, they shouldn't have been allowed. Motta had an Italian grandad though and Zaha was born in Ivory Coast. Rice is clearly English as well.
People seem to not enjoy playing for Brazil don't they? Three of your examples left them, haha.
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So that means he “hates†the English because he said he wouldn’t support them ?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/t...cord-straight-on-anti-England-reputation.html
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....nnis/tim-henman-andy-murrays-jibe-1977579.amp
Have you even thought about the context of the comment or even researched about it ?
But they are examples of football players changing allegiance
Think it's a case of not thinking they'd get in. Like Zaha jacking in England.
Dan2501
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They were allowed though, so you clearly can do it in Football.
We've had a ton of players not born in this country play for England. Guys like Raheem Sterling born in Jamaica to Jamaican parents moved here as a kid or Owen Hargreaves who was born in and spent all of his childhood in Canada before moving to Germany never lived in England before he played for us, and you can go back as far the likes of Colin Viljoen who moved from South Africa to Ipswich at 18 and ended up playing football for England 9 years later. There are a ton of examples of players moving between countries. Ferenc Puskas is famous for playing for Hungary but ended his International career playing for Spain.
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Di Stefano was Argentinian I believe but played for Spain and Colombia as well as Argentina
All true, but it doesn't mean people have to like it.
Playing for your country used to be bigged up as the pinnacle of a career. Imo playing for any other country simply to improve your status doesn't sit right.
Orikoru
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Obviously it does happen yeah. I just mean generally I think you should have a connection to the country to play for them. As in being born there, or have a parent (or maybe grandparent) from there. Or if you're going to do it on citizenship grounds I think you need to have moved here as a very young child, i.e. you have grown up in the country and spent the vast majority of your life there. Konta's claim having moved here at 14 is very tenuous to me. Just like Diego Costa's claim for Spain which I thought was a joke when it happened really.
The rules were a bit different back in Puskas and Di Stefano times to be fair. They basically played for Spain purely because they were at Madrid I think.
That was before the rules about having played competitive internationals meaning you can't switch.
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It doesn’t bother me one way or the others - I was just using facts to counter someone’s idea that football was the shining light for other sports to look up to when it comes to players representing the nation of their birth etc
Football has been just as bad as other sports over the years
Orikoru
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What research, I remember watching the bloody interview as it happened. So after considerable backlash, and advice from his PR people, he released statements saying he regretted his comments and they were just a joke. What a surprise.
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Really ?! I suspect when you blurt out a comment about “open hated of English†you clearly haven’t done any research at all and haven’t got a clue about how Murray feels about a “nationalityâ€
And even if he did support teams against England that doesn’t mean he has a “open hatred of English†- hence tour statement was completely baseless and stupid
I wasn't suggesting a right or wrong, just that I can see the pov.
I do think that English players have had less dubious ties than other nations and maybe that's why some don't like it.
Orikoru
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He said in an interview, which I witnessed, 'anyone but England' to win at the World Cup. What on earth research would I do to convince me that I didn't see or hear that? Personally I don't have any affinity for being 'British' anyway - it is meaningless to me. I would no more support a Scottish tennis player than I would support the Welsh football team. I consider myself English.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ndy-murray-s-comments-about-english-football/
This is the person who sat next him during the Interview and his account of what actually happened
So again I’ll ask how is means he has a “open hatred of the English†which was your statement