What's going to get us to leave the car.

May have just found the ideal EV. Has space for the kids/Golf clubs, small, nippy and cheap to run. Doddle to park as well.
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Might not do too well in the wind and rain :p
 
bobmac said:
I'm sure there are clever people working on this right now.
It may mean we pay so much per mile, happy days, that's the way it should be.
And the govt. will save a fortune in subsidies it currently pays out when the oil, coal and gas power stations are shut down.

''Renewable energy sources provided more electricity to UK homes and businesses than fossil fuels for the first time over the last quarter, according to new research.

The renewables record was set in the third quarter of this year (2019) after its share of the electricity mix rose to 40%.

It is the first time that electricity from British windfarms, solar panels and renewable biomass plants has surpassed fossil fuels since the UK’s first power plant fired up in 1882.''

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...y-overtakes-fossil-fuels-in-uk-for-first-time

And in answer to your next question, no, we wont need to build new power stations and we can stop buying millions of barrels of oil.
That will save a few quid
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So do you think renewables are not subsidised?
If the old power stations go where do we get the energy to charge all the new cars?
Renewable only does 40% so where’s all the power coming from.
Charging points are non existent where I live 5 miles out of a major City.
 
murphthemog said:
A hotel I was at in Sweden had a car park exactly like the picture.
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What no cars?
There brand new you can see the oil stains on the floor of the bays.
So every car park will need major works to upgrade them .
It’s not going to happen in time, why political parties put time scales on these things amazes me.
 
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Well I don't intend to replace my 2 yr old 2ltr petrol Mazda any time for a long time. Since the Govt have now decided 2032 is the banning date, I don't see any way the neccessary infrastructure can be built and reinforced between now and then. I don't believe people really understand the requirements on their electric system, nor do I beleive the arguement that electricity is and will always be cheaper. I remember that cobblers that was thrown about when water meters were made compulsory......my bills are dearer than before the meter was fitted and we use less water year on year. Of course a private company wants to make less money and have more people using less of their product, I mean thats how they survive and shareholders get rerturns on their money.......

The only way forward I see is hydrogen fuel cell, where we have filling stations as now and there is no worry about your supply not being there (power cuts this last weekend anyone........our way did).

Something that's also forgotten is the money that will be lost to the Exchequer is the reduction of tax from peoples jobs lost from dealers, garages and the whole third party supply market. If cars only need a brake service where is the work for garages with oil changes and the like?

The evangelists can shout as much as they like, but choosing something with a limited life doesn't seem the right answer unless of course damaging the enviroment in the search for ore products from the earth isn't considered because it's not our country being dug up.
Is it just our area we are concerned about or the whole planet?
 
Wow, you guys really don't want electric cars.

The ban in 2032/35 is for the sale of new cars. Buy a new petrol/diesel car before then and drive it as long as you want.

In 2010, renewable energy supplied the UK with 6.5% of the energy used. Last year it was 40%.
As the numbers of electric cars gradually increases, so will CLEAN, CHEAP renewable energy gradually increase.

''Thanks to falling costs, unsubsidized onshore wind and solar have become the cheapest sources of electricity generation in nearly all major economies in the world, including India and China, according to a new report by Bloomberg NEF. '' Britain lead the world in offshore wind energy.

Today, there are 30,500 charging points in the uk. This number increases by just under 20 per day.
It may not sound many but if that rate doesn't increase, that's 103,500 charging points by 2030.
At the moment, there are 8,350 petrol stations.

Scientists all over the world are working hard to make batteries that don't require minerals to be dug out of Chile by children.

And as for garage mechanics, they will still have work as petrol and diesels will still be around for decades to come.

Finally, I'm not sure I like being referred to as an evangelist as that has religious connetations.
Im not telling stories about talking snakes, miracles and a big guy in the sky with a beard, I'm just updating some people whose opinions may be a bit out of date.
 
bobmac said:
Wow, you guys really don't want electric cars.

The ban in 2032/35 is for the sale of new cars. Buy a new petrol/diesel car before then and drive it as long as you want.

In 2010, renewable energy supplied the UK with 6.5% of the energy used. Last year it was 40%.
As the numbers of electric cars gradually increases, so will CLEAN, CHEAP renewable energy gradually increase.

''Thanks to falling costs, unsubsidized onshore wind and solar have become the cheapest sources of electricity generation in nearly all major economies in the world, including India and China, according to a new report by Bloomberg NEF. ''

Today, there are 30,500 charging points in the uk. This number increases by just under 20 per day.
It may not sound many but if that rate doesn't increase, that's 103,500 charging points by 2030.
At the moment, there are 8,350 petrol stations.

Scientists all over the world are working hard to make batteries that don't require minerals to be dug out of Chile by children.

And as for garage mechanics, they will still have work as petrol and diesels will still be around for decades to come.

Finally, I'm not sure I like being referred to as an evangelist as that has religious connetations.
Im not telling stories about talking snakes, miracles and a big guy in the sky with a beard, I'm just updating some people whose opinions may be a bit out of date.
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Nothing against electric cars as such. Just dont think its the only (or most) viable option. When i come to replace my old 09 focus i'll probably have to look at either self charging hybrid or electric. I just get annoyed by the family member who preaches all the time on facebook that he can do "x" of miles on a full charge and only has to stop once at Lidl to charge on his way back from Yorkshire. Waiting for him to announce he's turning vegan next.
 
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bobmac said:
Wow, you guys really don't want electric cars.

The ban in 2032/35 is for the sale of new cars. Buy a new petrol/diesel car before then and drive it as long as you want.

In 2010, renewable energy supplied the UK with 6.5% of the energy used. Last year it was 40%.
As the numbers of electric cars gradually increases, so will CLEAN, CHEAP renewable energy gradually increase.

''Thanks to falling costs, unsubsidized onshore wind and solar have become the cheapest sources of electricity generation in nearly all major economies in the world, including India and China, according to a new report by Bloomberg NEF. '' Britain lead the world in offshore wind energy.

Today, there are 30,500 charging points in the uk. This number increases by just under 20 per day.
It may not sound many but if that rate doesn't increase, that's 103,500 charging points by 2030.
At the moment, there are 8,350 petrol stations.

Scientists all over the world are working hard to make batteries that don't require minerals to be dug out of Chile by children.

And as for garage mechanics, they will still have work as petrol and diesels will still be around for decades to come.

Finally, I'm not sure I like being referred to as an evangelist as that has religious connetations.
Im not telling stories about talking snakes, miracles and a big guy in the sky with a beard, I'm just updating some people whose opinions may be a bit out of date.
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On the contrary I DO want an EV but the infrastructure for it isn’t there.
It will be in the future ,but I will have given up driving by then I think.
Petrol costs about 20p a litre the rest is tax . (Bit of a guess )
Electricity will be ??kwt plus tax that is the cold economic truth so it’s going to be about the same.
Taxes per mile non starter ,Transport companies would cease to exist.
I hope it does come ,but it won’t be in my driving time sadly.
 
bobmac said:
Today, there are 30,500 charging points in the uk. This number increases by just under 20 per day.
It may not sound many but if that rate doesn't increase, that's 103,500 charging points by 2030.
At the moment, there are 8,350 petrol stations.
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Problem though is that a single petrol station can refuel up to 12 vehicles within 10 mins tops. A single charging point charges 1 car for however long it takes
I understand that oil is running out and we need to find a more sustainable fuel source, I just don't see electric as that long term solution whereas hydrogen fuel cell is to me.
Change petrol stations to hydrogen refuelling points and you pass over range issues and still have clean exhausts. How is that not a better long term solution?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Problem though is that a single petrol station can refuel up to 12 vehicles within 10 mins tops. A single charging point charges 1 car for however long it takes
I understand that oil is running out and we need to find a more sustainable fuel source, I just don't see electric as that long term solution whereas hydrogen fuel cell is to me.
Change petrol stations to hydrogen refuelling points and you pass over range issues and still have clean exhausts. How is that not a better long term solution?
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A mix of both will probably happen what’s going to fuel all the power stations if oil and coal can’t be used .?
Renewable won’t do it all.
 
clubchamp98 said:
A mix of both will probably happen what’s going to fuel all the power stations if oil and coal can’t be used .?
Renewable won’t do it all.
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Do you know how much much of our energy use is created by coal?
Bunkermagnet said:
Problem though is that a single petrol station can refuel up to 12 vehicles within 10 mins tops. A single charging point charges 1 car for however long it takes
I understand that oil is running out and we need to find a more sustainable fuel source, I just don't see electric as that long term solution whereas hydrogen fuel cell is to me.
Change petrol stations to hydrogen refuelling points and you pass over range issues and still have clean exhausts. How is that not a better long term solution?
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I'm not saying petrol stations will disappear, I'm saying the charging points will be in the car parks,

In case you missed it...post 254

''So you go shopping to Asda, park up, spend 30mins shopping, then drive to the garage, fill up 200 miles worth of petrol/diesel cost £25-£30, then drive home.
OR

You go shopping to Asda, park up, PLUG IN, spend 30mins shopping, meanwhile your car downloads 200 miles of range cost £6-£8 then you drive home.
Which is quicker, cleaner and cheaper?''
 
clubchamp98 said:
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On the contrary I DO want an EV but the infrastructure for it isn’t there.
It will be in the future ,but I will have given up driving by then I think.
Petrol costs about 20p a litre the rest is tax . (Bit of a guess )
Electricity will be ??kwt plus tax that is the cold economic truth so it’s going to be about the same.
Taxes per mile non starter ,Transport companies would cease to exist.
I hope it does come ,but it won’t be in my driving time sadly.
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Electric ranges

Say the average is 14p per kWh including tax

Not a lot no but even the tax add up if everyone started to use them ..

More electric used means more tax paid on it
 
bobmac said:
Do you know how much much of our energy use is created by coal?


I'm not saying petrol stations will disappear, I'm saying the charging points will be in the car parks,

In case you missed it...post 254

''So you go shopping to Asda, park up, spend 30mins shopping, then drive to the garage, fill up 200 miles worth of petrol/diesel cost £25-£30, then drive home.
OR

You go shopping to Asda, park up, PLUG IN, spend 30mins shopping, meanwhile your car downloads 200 miles of range cost £6-£8 then you drive home.
Which is quicker, cleaner and cheaper?''
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I would suggest you would need a charging point at every single parking space, at all car parks public or private because you know that the selfishness of society would mean that once someone car is being charged it's staying there until they leave. It already happens in London.....electric cars left on the charging point fully charged but blocking anyone else from using it.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
I would suggest you would need a charging point at every single parking space, at all car parks public or private because you know that the selfishness of society would mean that once someone car is being charged it's staying there until they leave. It already happens in London.....electric cars left on the charging point fully charged but blocking anyone else from using it.
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You have one charger per 4 cars
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And when you've finished your shopping you go home.
 
Has anyone worked out how many charging points will be needed even if every one is used at 50 %of its capacity (never going to reach this) to do the 30 million cars in the UK reach day?
 
At our local new[ish] Asda there's at least fifty charging points... Can't say I've seen more than a handful in use at any time... Might be different of an evening... Gonna need a pretty rapid change, in attitude, for change to come about... Can't see us being in the market for one anytime soon... In retirement we've been more than happy to make use of public transport...
 
bobmac said:
Do you know how much much of our energy use is created by coal?


I'm not saying petrol stations will disappear, I'm saying the charging points will be in the car parks,

In case you missed it...post 254

''So you go shopping to Asda, park up, spend 30mins shopping, then drive to the garage, fill up 200 miles worth of petrol/diesel cost £25-£30, then drive home.
OR

You go shopping to Asda, park up, PLUG IN, spend 30mins shopping, meanwhile your car downloads 200 miles of range cost £6-£8 then you drive home.
Which is quicker, cleaner and cheaper?''
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Was thinking more in world terms for coal / oil fired power stations.
Most people won’t charge in Asda couple of miles from home.
They will be the stop off points for long journeys , motorway services for a start.
That’s what is putting me off ,real people stories of trying to find them on long journeys.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
I would suggest you would need a charging point at every single parking space, at all car parks public or private because you know that the selfishness of society would mean that once someone car is being charged it's staying there until they leave. It already happens in London.....electric cars left on the charging point fully charged but blocking anyone else from using it.
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An alarm system that charges them £20 hour for any time over full charge .
Can’t be that hard.
 
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