clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I hope your right !
I just don’t think it’s so simple.
What's going to get us to leave the car.
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I just don’t think it’s so simple.
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When an electric car is more affordable than the regular family saloon then people will look to them
And in regards charging points
I can pop to a petrol station and fill up my car in in 2 minutes so a petrol station can serves hundreds of car each day - one charging station takes how long to “fill” up a car ? And will it ever get as quick to charge an Electric car ?
we are years away from
1. Running out of oil
2. Developing an electric car that is of the equivalent of a good old petrol car both in terms of cost and ease of use.
And in regards charging points
I can pop to a petrol station and fill up my car in in 2 minutes so a petrol station can serves hundreds of car each day - one charging station takes how long to “fill” up a car ? And will it ever get as quick to charge an Electric car ?
we are years away from
1. Running out of oil
2. Developing an electric car that is of the equivalent of a good old petrol car both in terms of cost and ease of use.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Why is it so hard to find one.?
That’s what is the biggest complaint from EV owners.
Maybe city centre car parks should be EV cars only.
Any fossil fuelled gas guzzler should have to use the park and ride.
That would sell a few more EVs.
bobmac
Major Champion
I'm no time traveller so I can only guess, but all the indications are it's not if but when.
Once people see more and more charging points appearing and EVs become cheaper than ICE cars, I think the change will happen quite quickly.
Remember it's only 10 years old, things this big take time
Click on the link and search your area
https://www.zap-map.com/live/
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I live in a place called Huyton and according to this link there’s one charger.
It’s quite a big suburb.
bobmac
Major Champion
You're thinking about this the wrong way.
Petrol stations wont be replaced by charging stations with 6 plugs, charging plugs will be all over the place. Outside your local indian, cinema, golf club, gym, starbucks, McDonald's car parks, anywhere you park up for half an hour.
And at service stations.........
1. We are years/decades even from running out of oil but what's wrong with being ready when it does.
2. I disagree.
The cost of buying an EV right now is higher I agree but it is falling all the time but the running costs are a fraction of ICE cars.
According to Bloomberg, the cost of an EV will be cheaper than an equivalent ICE car as soon as 2022.
As for charging.........
You pop into Asda, park up, plug in, spend half an hour shopping, come out, unplug and you've added 150miles of range for about £6.
Do the arithmetic.
And if you have off street parking, it's even cheaper.
Then you drive home. No need to stop off at the petrol station on the way out.
So its actually quicker to charge while you're shopping.
I've said before and I'll say again, we're not there yet but we're getting there faster than most people think.[/QUOTE]
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A 7kW home charger significantly reduces the charging time, with little change in the cost of electricity. A full 168-mile charge on the 40kWh Nissan Leaf would take less than six hours, vastly improving convenience for those occasions when you need to top up in a hurry. Over a year and 9,000 miles, the maths between an electric vehicle and a petrol equivalent show some significant savings. At an average economy of 45mpg, a petrol car will cost £1,209 to run in fuel alone. A 40kWh Leaf with a real-world range of 168 miles would cost £300 for the 12 months. It’s also worth noting that you can save even more by investing in solar panels and a household battery to generate and store electricity.
Lifted this from an article about cost to charge a Nissan leaf
So my fuel costs would drop by £890 a year if I did 9000 miles
No going petrol station
Top up overnight whilst I sleep
Defo up for this
bobmac
Major Champion
Not forgetting the £500 grant from the government towards buying and having the charger installed
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Deleted member 21784
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Indeed Bob that is very attractive
I been working all out at work
Say I do 1000 miles a month
That's about 3 tanks of fuel
£150 at the moment (without rises in fuel)
This would be roughly 10 charges £63 for the month (without the rises in electric )
Could get on board with that
I'd defo start to replace the little drives to my mum's with it
My mum uses the bus to come to mine where possible now to try and cut down her use
Russ_D
Club Champion
Problem in my eyes with EV's is the price to buy. My main car is a Citroen Grand picasso HDi Blue. Emissions wise it's better than my smaller petrol engined car i drive (mrs drivesthe citroen). We need a car that size for the kids and all the other things we do. A low mileage 2018 Nissan Leaf which is 5 seater and not big enough would set us back up to £21K for a decent one or around 15K for an older one.
For an equivalent 7 seater I'd be looking at a Nissan e-NV200 @ £26k and it looks like a van.
Also, i would be dubious of buying used in the first place. Batteries have a finite lifespan. Even the manufacurers are saying the new superchargers reduce battery life. Last year Top Gear bought a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. New it did 120miles, after 10 years it did 30. Insurabce companies classed it technically as a write off.
Many families at the moment cant afford to buy EV's new. What if you live in a terrace? how do you charge? A cable out of a window down to where your car is causing a trip hazzard? EV technology is outpacing the infrastructure to support it.
If they are to start phasing out pertol/diesel in 2035 then they need to up their game and also offer very good scrappage deals. My family needs two cars due to where we work and where the kids go to school. Public transport is not an option for me.
Change needs to happen but it's not going to be soon enough and average people are the ones who will suffer. Just my ranting opinion
For an equivalent 7 seater I'd be looking at a Nissan e-NV200 @ £26k and it looks like a van.
Also, i would be dubious of buying used in the first place. Batteries have a finite lifespan. Even the manufacurers are saying the new superchargers reduce battery life. Last year Top Gear bought a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. New it did 120miles, after 10 years it did 30. Insurabce companies classed it technically as a write off.
Many families at the moment cant afford to buy EV's new. What if you live in a terrace? how do you charge? A cable out of a window down to where your car is causing a trip hazzard? EV technology is outpacing the infrastructure to support it.
If they are to start phasing out pertol/diesel in 2035 then they need to up their game and also offer very good scrappage deals. My family needs two cars due to where we work and where the kids go to school. Public transport is not an option for me.
Change needs to happen but it's not going to be soon enough and average people are the ones who will suffer. Just my ranting opinion
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with the massive amounts of tax raised on fuel, i can't help wondering where they can replace this sum...... ????
Wolf
Well-known member
Not to mention the loss of car tax due to zero emissions. Those huge shortfalls will come from somewhere.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Do do you advocate waiting until we start running out of oil before doing anything to replace it? Is this a problem for you or would you rather take the comfortable route and leave it for your children to face the consequences?
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Why will electric cars not be taxed?
Wolf
Well-known member
You've literally summed up my issues with going full EV. Even if things go as planned for us this year meaning we can go down to 1 car, we still will need the main car to be a 7 seater ideally. The Nissan is literally the commercial van but instead they've simply swapped the rear panels for windows. Plus the max range isn't long about to drive and visit family, if you factor in stops it takes nearly an hour for an 80% charge which could possibly mean a 2nd stop, so a 2.5hr drive I can do non stop currently becomes 4.5hrs.Problem in my eyes with EV's is the price to buy. My main car is a Citroen Grand picasso HDi Blue. Emissions wise it's better than my smaller petrol engined car i drive (mrs drivesthe citroen). We need a car that size for the kids and all the other things we do. A low mileage 2018 Nissan Leaf which is 5 seater and not big enough would set us back up to £21K for a decent one or around 15K for an older one.
For an equivalent 7 seater I'd be looking at a Nissan e-NV200 @ £26k and it looks like a van.
Also, i would be dubious of buying used in the first place. Batteries have a finite lifespan. Even the manufacurers are saying the new superchargers reduce battery life. Last year Top Gear bought a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. New it did 120miles, after 10 years it did 30. Insurabce companies classed it technically as a write off.
Many families at the moment cant afford to buy EV's new. What if you live in a terrace? how do you charge? A cable out of a window down to where your car is causing a trip hazzard? EV technology is outpacing the infrastructure to support it.
If they are to start phasing out pertol/diesel in 2035 then they need to up their game and also offer very good scrappage deals. My family needs two cars due to where we work and where the kids go to school. Public transport is not an option for me.
Change needs to happen but it's not going to be soon enough and average people are the ones who will suffer. Just my ranting opinion
There's no way im buying 2nd hand because of battery degradation you simply don't know what life is left in the battery. So new becomes the only option which isba whole other dilemma of nothing is affordable. People keep saying the price wilk become lower than comparative ICE cars, but that's not simply being shown by manufacturers, if anything each new one that comes out the cost of buying one is getting significantly higher than other cars.
bobmac
Major Champion
2016 Nissan Leaf Tekna, 44,000miles £8,999
The Nissan Leaf wasn't released in the UK until March 2011 so there no way they could have bought a 10 year old car last year. Besides, Nissan has an 8 year battery guarantee.
Please see post no. 206
If they are to start phasing out pertol/diesel in 2035 then they need to up their game and also offer very good scrappage deals. My family needs two cars due to where we work and where the kids go to school. Public transport is not an option for me.
Change needs to happen but it's not going to be soon enough and average people are the ones who will suffer. Just my ranting opinion
How will they suffer when price parity could be in 2022. ?
pool888
Assistant Pro
BIK is 0% for 20/21 then 1% 21/22 then 2% 22/23, could be raised back to "normal levels" after than, but no doubt this will push company car sales towards EV's, employee will save thousands over the 3 years comapred to petrol/diesel.
Wolf
Well-known member
Currently they are tax exempt obviously that could change. But who says it will?
pool888
Assistant Pro
And the extra £300 if you live in Scotland.
Wolf
Well-known member
Haven't seen the episode but I guess coukd be possible they got one ofnthe early Japan/US releases that came out in December 2010. Even so would still have only been a 9 year old car. But that's a severe degradation of battery life though.
