What's going to get us to leave the car.

[MegaSteve]

Denial or some people simply don't live others lives so can't understand their circumstances. I've literally just got in from work, had I used public transport I'd have been 3 hrs late arriving for work and my last bus home would have been 5 hrs before my shift finished. Mrs starts work at 530am tomorrow which is 3 hrs before the first bus. We also don't have a train station where I live, the nearest is 7 miles away and earliest train is 7am so still no good to my wife and last train back is 8pm so still 2hrs before I finish. None of this is denial this is purely facts of our working lives and transport links.

Only massive changes that will help people where I live is massively improved transport links, but they won't put them in which leaves the necessity for cars. As I've said we're actively looking at what we can do to reduce this but at the moment its not possible but we're hoping within 12 months to be down to 1 car which will be a hybrid.

Nearly all my working life was spent working 'abnormal' hours... So, I believe, I do have a bit of understanding the circumstances of travel 'out of hours'... Yep, it's not easy and a pain the backside but doesn't mean that in many parts it can't be addressed... Listening on telly, yesterday, Jakarta is hoping [actively setting a target] that sooner rather than later 60% of journys, within the city, will be on public transport... It's a worldwide issue not just a 'local' one...

 

[clubchamp98]

The UK population has grown by 12 million in 50 years. That’s ave of 240k people a year!

Now you’d think any competent government (even ones that change political parties every so often) could plan a change in housing infrastructure to cope with a population growth of 240k a year, after all 240k is not even a ½ of 1% growth but not in the UK

So we can be sure it is not an unnatural rise in population V shortage of housing stock that has caused the stupid rise in house prices, nationwide you’re only talking about building 80k units per year for families of 3… but now reports say that 340,000 houses are needed every year for 10 years just in England, just to catch up!

Now the number of cars have trebled in that same period from 12m to 34m by 2010, the government has milked an enormous cashpot from this and also from selling the same house several times over, yet up & down the country the same problem exists that its is quicker, cheaper and easier to use a car to commute from just a few miles out of town than it is to use other transport

So no, unfortunately we won’t be getting folks out of their cars anytime soon


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Totally agree here .
My opinion is central government had given the power to local authorities to sort major problems out then cut their budgets to the bone.
They gave them the power so they could say “not my problem”.
The buck stops at the top for this and Maggie started the downturn by selling council houses.
There needs to be a law to stop speculators in the housing market not sure how but it needs doing.
even if they wanted to build these houses they couldn’t.
The brick layers aren’t there they never trained any for nearly 20yrs now that’s why we need immigrants to do it.
P,ss up and Brewery comes to mind , with the housing brief.

 

[Wolf]

Nearly all my working life was spent working 'abnormal' hours... So, I believe, I do have a bit of understanding the circumstances of travel 'out of hours'... Yep, it's not easy and a pain the backside but doesn't mean that in many parts it can't be addressed... Listening on telly, yesterday, Jakarta is hoping [actively setting a target] that sooner rather than later 60% of journies, within the city, will be on public transport... It's a worldwide issue not just a 'local' one...

You tell me how i address working hours outside of public transport, if you can solve that conundrum then we'd gladly change our car usage. Its simply not doable if the transport doesn't exist.

I agree its a worldwide issue but again you comment is about inside of cities. I agree that should be hugely reduced and will have a huge impact, but the question raised is how do the rest of us outside of those cities improve our usage an lower our emissions in an affordable and environmentally friendly way. That can only be done by either improving transport out to more rural areas or lowering the costs and assistance of helping people into EV or hybrid vehicles.

Im not trying to be awkward I genuinely want to find ways to improve as I'm sure others do, hence once the next few month's out the way for Mrs Wolf progressing her change of career and me doing the same we can lose 1 car entirely and change my family car over to a hybrid next February. Its small change innthe grand scheme of things but its only coming as result of a huge change in what we do, where we will potentially be living and our way of working.

 

[clubchamp98]

Nearly all my working life was spent working 'abnormal' hours... So, I believe, I do have a bit of understanding the circumstances of travel 'out of hours'... Yep, it's not easy and a pain the backside but doesn't mean that in many parts it can't be addressed... Listening on telly, yesterday, Jakarta is hoping [actively setting a target] that sooner rather than later 60% of journys, within the city, will be on public transport... It's a worldwide issue not just a 'local' one...

Me to .
worked shifts for 40yrs and last bus was 10pm I finished at 11pm.
I used to cycle or walk 4miles to work until I could afford a car.
I have had one since .but am seriously considering not having one.
but I am used to it and think it would be a backward step.
So an EV looks next for me.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You tell me how i address working hours outside of public transport, if you can solve that conundrum then we'd gladly change our car usage. Its simply not doable if the transport doesn't exist.

I agree its a worldwide issue but again you comment is about inside of cities. I agree that should be hugely reduced and will have a huge impact, but the question raised is how do the rest of us outside of those cities improve our usage an lower our emissions in an affordable and environmentally friendly way. That can only be done by either improving transport out to more rural areas or lowering the costs and assistance of helping people into EV or hybrid vehicles.

Im not trying to be awkward I genuinely want to find ways to improve as I'm sure others do, hence once the next few month's out the way for Mrs Wolf progressing her change of career and me doing the same we can lose 1 car entirely and change my family car over to a hybrid next February. Its small change innthe grand scheme of things but its only coming as result of a huge change in what we do, where we will potentially be living and our way of working.

In theory your mileage won't half because you might use the car more but with the hybrid side saving you fuel you could easily reduce your fuel usage by 50% which would be a massive achievement

 

[Wolf]

In theory your mileage won't half because you might use the car more but with the hybrid side saving you fuel you could easily reduce your fuel usage by 50% which would be a massive achievement

Currently cycling isn't an option due to distances and work times. My wife's daily mileage for work is 52 miles (26each way) if all goes well at her next to recruitment steps, her mileage will disappear totally as we would be moving to on site housing and she would walk literally into work daily or cycle half a mile at most. My mileage is varied depending which site I need to visit but I'd estimate averages 50ish miles a day. . That would cut to a max of 2 miles a day so again I'd cycle to work, we'd literally remove need for car usage daily so our carbon foot print in a year becomes so much lower. But would still have a hybrid over full EV due to journey we do to visit family. We are pushing ahead full steam with these changes at the moment but its taking a big change to our lives to achieve it but hopefully in as little as 6 months those changes will be in place.

 

[MegaSteve]

You tell me how i address working hours outside of public transport, if you can solve that conundrum then we'd gladly change our car usage. Its simply not doable if the transport doesn't exist.

I agree its a worldwide issue but again you comment is about inside of cities. I agree that should be hugely reduced and will have a huge impact, but the question raised is how do the rest of us outside of those cities improve our usage an lower our emissions in an affordable and environmentally friendly way. That can only be done by either improving transport out to more rural areas or lowering the costs and assistance of helping people into EV or hybrid vehicles.

Im not trying to be awkward I genuinely want to find ways to improve as I'm sure others do, hence once the next few month's out the way for Mrs Wolf progressing her change of career and me doing the same we can lose 1 car entirely and change my family car over to a hybrid next February. Its small change innthe grand scheme of things but its only coming as result of a huge change in what we do, where we will potentially be living and our way of working.

It's not an individual issue it's a community one... As I said in my original post most have posted why it can't be sorted rather than how... So I stand by my original point, collectively we are all in denial it's a problem that can/should be resolved...

 

[Wolf]

It's not an individual issue it's a community one... As I said in my original post most have posted why it can't be sorted rather than how... So I stand by my original point, collectively we are all in denial it's a problem that can/should be resolved...

I stand by my post many aren't in denial but you don't want to take on board they have their own reasons for why they haven't or can't yet change.

Its not as simple as merely saying we have to change so do it andnif you have an excuse are in denial. But we will have to just disagree on this

 

[MegaSteve]

But we will have to just disagree on this

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Then we are doomed...

Personally I think Earth will be struck big time by an asteroid before a man-made apocolypse occurs.

 

[clubchamp98]

It's not an individual issue it's a community one... As I said in my original post most have posted why it can't be sorted rather than how... So I stand by my original point, collectively we are all in denial it's a problem that can/should be resolved...

Not in denial at all
The infrastructure isn’t there yet when it is people will change.
It will take longer when government priority is on a £106 billion railway to get people to London 20 mins quicker.
I go to Scotland once a month. At the moment I would not try that in an EV.
When I can do 500miles non stop in a EV I think that is when it’s sorted and you have no excuse.
Until then it’s not ready.

 

[bobmac]

Not in denial at all
The infrastructure isn’t there yet when it is people will change.
It will take longer when government priority is on a £106 billion railway to get people to London 20 mins quicker.
I go to Scotland once a month. At the moment I would not try that in an EV.
When I can do 500miles non stop in a EV I think that is when it’s sorted and you have no excuse.
Until then it’s not ready.

500 miles non stop
You must have a bladder the size of an elephant

 

[upsidedown]

Overheard comment in cinema today at the end of Ad for New all electric Corsa " Yes but you'll still need oil for it "

 

[patricks148]

500 miles non stop
You must have a bladder the size of an elephant

it would have to float to if he wanted to do 500 from Liverpool on one charge

 

[clubchamp98]

500 miles non stop
You must have a bladder the size of an elephant

You can have a pee in a bush but it won’t charge your car for you.

 

[clubchamp98]

it would have to float to if he wanted to do 500 from Liverpool on one charge

Dalkeith and back .
Aunts lives in a flat so no charging point or a very long extension cable.

And the prices of EV cars I would expect it to float!
Like Bonds Lotus Espree that would be fun.

 

[patricks148]

Dalkeith and back .
Aunts lives in a flat so no charging point or a very long extension cable.

And the prices of EV cars I would expect it to float!
Like Bonds Lotus Espree that would be fun.

done Inverness to Halifax 3 times in the last 6 months, 7 hour drive each way, i never stop, get it over and done with in a one go. took longer flying last time i did that as i had to change trains several times from Manchester Airport, train was even worse

 

[bobmac]

Dalkeith and back .
Aunts lives in a flat so no charging point or a very long extension cable.

And the prices of EV cars I would expect it to float!
Like Bonds Lotus Espree that would be fun.

They have charging points in Scotland you know, even in Dalkeith

 

[MegaSteve]

Not in denial at all
The infrastructure isn’t there yet when it is people will change.
It will take longer when government priority is on a £106 billion railway to get people to London 20 mins quicker.
I go to Scotland once a month. At the moment I would not try that in an EV.
When I can do 500miles non stop in a EV I think that is when it’s sorted and you have no excuse.
Until then it’s not ready.

Believe the £106Bn+ is to get folk OUT of London quicker to do business with folk in the midlands/north ...

 

[patricks148]

You can have a pee in a bush but it won’t charge your car for you.

i think you have stumbled on the answer.... Piss Power, now wheres that chemistry set and the email address of the patent office