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The Ashes 2017/18

fundy said:
so selling out on the fans of the game who have supported it for 40 years+ to chase money and tv rankings is the way to go?
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Exactly and as we can see it's gone a long way to improving technique in longer formats!!

Cook is done I'm afraid and lasted 20 odd balls today. We need to be able to build a solid start and sadly he's not delivering. As good as he's been for England as a player and captain this needs to be the end and we need to be rebuilding. Stoneman could be a good opener and needs more time but who then goes in with him?
 
fundy said:
so selling out on the fans of the game who have supported it for 40 years+ to chase money and tv rankings is the way to go?
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Well is the support going to be able to sustain itself without a format that attracts crowds ? Can county’s survive on gates from Championship and ODI gates ? I don’t expect they can. Counties and Governing bodies need finances to survive and to move forward - sparse crowds in the county Champs aren’t going to that. There is three formats of the sport - some like one format some like all the format. I have been to tests , ODI , County Champs - the best entertainment was the T20 finals day and a full Edgebaston - brilliant day with some superb cricket played from both bowlers and batsmen. Sport is entertainment- T20 entertains people
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I’m guessing by looking at the crowd sizes and sell outs all over the world people do enjoy watching T20 - it’s maybe not what the purests enjoy but it’s certainly appears the most popular format of the sport.
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At the t20 game I watched last summer the vast majority weren’t watching the game and didn’t seem interested in what was going on.

And with regard to the sellouts, despite the blast growing year on year the eco claim English cricket needs another t20 tournament.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Well is the support going to be able to sustain itself without a format that attracts crowds ? Can county’s survive on gates from Championship and ODI gates ? I don’t expect they can. Counties and Governing bodies need finances to survive and to move forward - sparse crowds in the county Champs aren’t going to that. There is three formats of the sport - some like one format some like all the format. I have been to tests , ODI , County Champs - the best entertainment was the T20 finals day and a full Edgebaston - brilliant day with some superb cricket played from both bowlers and batsmen. Sport is entertainment- T20 entertains people
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Most of english cricket survives based on the funds generated from test match cricket. County cricket is the means to sustaining test match cricket and the revenue this generates. Remove those 2 and lets see how long cricket can survive in this country based on T20.


Next comes the ECB paying too much to the counties to force in a new T20 competition that very few people in cricket actually want, the counties couldnt turn down the £1m+ on offer yet are already questionning what they signed up to as the ECB are already starting to move the goalposts

But as long as you had a ball at finals day then thats fine, lets just destroy what used to be a great sport
 
Tongo said:
At the t20 game I watched last summer the vast majority weren’t watching the game and didn’t seem interested in what was going on.

And with regard to the sellouts, despite the blast growing year on year the eco claim English cricket needs another t20 tournament.
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Many (not all) at T20 are there for a drink and a laugh with mates and cricket is often secondary (and I've been to seven county grounds watching this format). ODI's are always a sell out and are a better form of cricket where you have to learn to pick your shots as a batsman, and when to leave, and bowlers who have to pick a line and length and learn variations. I would argue ODI Is equally as popular as T20 in terms of selling out
 
fundy said:
Most of english cricket survives based on the funds generated from test match cricket. County cricket is the means to sustaining test match cricket and the revenue this generates. Remove those 2 and lets see how long cricket can survive in this country based on T20.


Next comes the ECB paying too much to the counties to force in a new T20 competition that very few people in cricket actually want, the counties couldnt turn down the £1m+ on offer yet are already questionning what they signed up to as the ECB are already starting to move the goalposts

But as long as you had a ball at finals day then thats fine, lets just destroy what used to be a great sport
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How exactly is the sport being “destroyed” - touch overreaction maybe ? I don’t see a sport being “destroyed”
 
Liverpoolphil said:
How exactly is the sport being “destroyed” - touch overreaction maybe ? I don’t see a sport being “destroyed”
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skills are being eroded, longer format being marginalised time after time, forced to play second fiddle to a dumbed down version of the game, the new T20 comp is likely to put half of the counties out of business or at least make them second tier once theyve burnt through their pay off. lets see where the game is at in ten years time, i expect it is at best a pale shadow of what it was
 
fundy said:
skills are being eroded, longer format being marginalised time after time, forced to play second fiddle to a dumbed down version of the game, the new T20 comp is likely to put half of the counties out of business or at least make them second tier once theyve burnt through their pay off. lets see where the game is at in ten years time, i expect it is at best a pale shadow of what it was
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The biggest fallacy is that T20 is growing the game. It brings in more drinkers and people dressing up but no t people interested in playing the game.
 
fundy said:
skills are being eroded, longer format being marginalised time after time, forced to play second fiddle to a dumbed down version of the game, the new T20 comp is likely to put half of the counties out of business or at least make them second tier once theyve burnt through their pay off. lets see where the game is at in ten years time, i expect it is at best a pale shadow of what it was
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Skills eroded ? That’s just a statement that really can’t be judged - Kohli for example is one the best batsmen in the world - he was playing T20 internationals for a couple years first before moving into the test arena - his skills don’t seem to be eroded , Think Smith and Warner the same.

Longer format forced to play second fiddle ? I’m guessing you mean CC which has been poor for decades before T20 came around.

14 years the T20 has been around - in that period it’s prob been a period where England Test cricket has reached heights not seen for a long time - 3 Ashes in a row , reaching number one in the world.

It’s overreaction and being over dramatic and it always happens when England struggle in a series

Must add I’m not a fan of the franchise Comp
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fundy said:
sadly genuine, watch out for F5, T2 and probably Super Over tournaments in the near future. RIP cricket
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I think I'll give it a miss.

I've heard T20 described as a Big Mac Meal, quick, pleasant at the time but forgotten the next day. T10 would be more like a bag of crisps. Why would bowlers want to be involved in that? They would just be fodder for clubbers.
 
Don't mind T20 but it's a limited format. As for bringing players on I'd suggest that quality players will adapt and come through regardless and so the likes of Kohli were good test players despite T20 and not because of it. I can't see the benefit of an even shorter format. As for England being #1 in the test ranking during the T20 era, I'd put that down to the other nations going through a rebuilding process with each country's best players retiring and having to bring new ones through while England were fortunate enough to have a decent squad in place at the same time. As we're now #3 in the ICC test rankings it's hardly a conclusive argument that T20 has helped develop the test side
 
Is there any correlation between India being ranked no 1 in the world and the IPL being the world's biggest T20m comp ?

Whilst 20 20 may not be for the purist it puts bums on seats and generates tremendous revenue , both for clubs and players worldwide.
 
upsidedown said:
Is there any correlation between India being ranked no 1 in the world and the IPL being the world's biggest T20m comp ?

Whilst 20 20 may not be for the purist it puts bums on seats and generates tremendous revenue , both for clubs and players worldwide.
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Possibly but don't forget they also pay big bucks for a host of overseas players so I think its a coincidence and they are lucky to be going through a period where their longer day players have come together and peaked at the same time these franchises spend massive money luring the best players to come over and play
 
upsidedown said:
Is there any correlation between India being ranked no 1 in the world and the IPL being the world's biggest T20m comp ?

Whilst 20 20 may not be for the purist it puts bums on seats and generates tremendous revenue , both for clubs and players worldwide.
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are the revenues that great? 800k attendance or so across the year, average ticket price £15 (excl corporate)?

Lords test 30k attendance a day, average ticket £100 (excl corporate)

not a great deal between the 2 is there?
 
fundy said:
are the revenues that great? 800k attendance or so across the year, average ticket price £15 (excl corporate)?

Lords test 30k attendance a day, average ticket £100 (excl corporate)

not a great deal between the 2 is there?
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No there isn't and there doesn't need to be as for me both have a place in the game but I feel the 20 20 game and all the razz ta mazz associated with it will entice more folks to watch that form than the 5 day game rather than vica a versa , should some of those folks then go onto follow and support the longer game that'd be brilliant.

Attendance figures are up both here and in Oz, in Oz with 28% of those watchings the Tests, no doubt some of those will also have been to the BB. https://www.cricket.com.au/news/cri...on-audience-ratings-tests-bbl-wbbl/2017-03-31
 
We came, we saw, we had Christmas, we flattered to deceive, we are going to leave with our tails between our legs. Well and truly dispatched
 
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